Once fired brass per pound

Midwest Matt · November 15, 2008, 01:05 PM

I've done some research and need some help.

In order to count 1000 of rounds, can you use a weight basis? Per pound? I'm trying to buy some once fired brass and just curious how they are counting it. For example does 1000 rounds of 45 acp equal 1 pound?

223 per pound?
30-06 per pound?
9mm per pound?
Others?

jaguarxk120 · November 15, 2008, 01:25 PM

Weigh ten (10) individual cases, take the average weight and divide into 7000
that will give you the amount of pieces in one pound. 7,000 grains equalls one pound.

TF

rn22723 · November 15, 2008, 05:27 PM

Cartridge Weights per 1000
380 Auto- 8.5 lbs
9mm-9 lbs
357 Sig-10 lbs
38 SPL-10 lbs
357 Mag-12 lbs.
10mm-11 lbs.
40 S&W-10 lbs.
45 ACP-12.5 lbs

223 13.25lbs

Midwest Matt · November 15, 2008, 07:00 PM

Thanks guys.

Does anyone have the counts per pound for?

7MM Rem Mag
30-06
30-30
308
243
22-250

rn22723 · November 16, 2008, 01:56 PM

you gotta do some work here yourself, you can weight a few cases and do the math.

SteelJM1 · November 16, 2008, 04:19 PM

Question is, how much are scrap dealers paying per pound of brass on average? I told the range officer yesterday that i'm willng to pay 25% over the scrap guy for all .38, .357, .30-06, and .243 brass. Im assuming that the scrap guy is maybe paying $1.50/lb, so i'm willing to pay $1.88/lb.

jaguarxk120 · November 16, 2008, 07:31 PM

The scrap dealers are not paying the same as 6 months ago. While back took scrap aluminum and got 50 cents a pound, last week aluminum was 20 cents a pound. Copper is still up there yet. With manufacturing going down so is the demand for metals. The prices are dropping.

Save your penny's, as there will be some very good deals comming up as the toy's will be the first to go. TF

F. Guffey · November 17, 2008, 12:19 PM

Midwest Mike, I was just north of NYC when I had the opportunity to purchase once fired brass by the pound, cost? not was but after separating and organizing, the count was 22,000 cases from 9MM to 30/30. I had less than 100 cases that were not made in the USA and two of the 'less than 100' were Berdan primed, when I went to crush the 2 cases, I could not find them, I went back through the 9MM and found them, had to be the only two without USA head stamps.

I will weigh some cases tonight and give you a weight, it will be a + or minus thing, as you know case weight varies.

F, Guffey

F. Guffey · November 18, 2008, 11:46 AM

Midwest Matt,

280 Remington, Nickel- 188 grains
30/06 TW military (Federal) 1953- 184 grains without primer
30/06 TW military (Federal) 1953 203 grains with primer
30/06 RA military (Remington) 1951 183 grains without a primer
30/06Winchester 183 grains without a primer
30/06 FC Federal 198 grains without a primer
38 per pound, 26 lbs per thousand

308 formed from 30/06 military 178 geains without a primer
308 R-P (Remington) 174 grains, new unfired without primer
308 LC 82 Match (Olin) 174 grains, without a primer
308 formed from 30/06 Den 43 (Denver) 179 grains, without a primer
308 formed from 30/06 FA 53 182 grains, without a primer
308 NATO LC 82 188 grains with a primer
40 per pound, 25 lbs per thousand

7MM REM MAG WW Super 244 Grains without a primer, once fired
7MM REM MAG R-P Remington 233 grains without a primer
7MM Rem MAG R-P Remington 243 with a primer
28 per pound, 35 lbs per thousand

22 250 Remington Frontier 164 grains, with a primer
42 per pound, 23 lbs per thousand

per pound + or - a case or two,

Just built and booted this computer, have not added spell check etc..

F. Guffey

Mousehouse · July 16, 2009, 10:35 AM

Does anyone know what a 55 gallon drum of brass would weigh? Mainly 9mm, 38 special, 223, 40 & 45.

Suwannee Tim · July 16, 2009, 11:07 AM

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Question is, how much are scrap dealers paying per pound of brass on average? I told the range officer yesterday that i'm willng to pay 25% over the scrap guy for all .38, .357, .30-06, and .243 brass. Im assuming that the scrap guy is maybe paying $1.50/lb, so i'm willing to pay $1.88/lb.

Who is going to sort out all the stuff you don't want before they sell it to you for $1.88 per pound?

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Does anyone know what a 55 gallon drum of brass would weigh? Mainly 9mm, 38 special, 223, 40 & 45.

A lot.

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you gotta do some work here yourself

Fill a gallon jug with brass, weigh it and multiply by 55.

Mousehouse · July 16, 2009, 11:13 AM

I did several searches but nothing came up besides what 1000 pieces weigh.

Actually brass is 75 cents a pound currently. Aluminum is 25 cents a pound.

We are getting a great deal on it. Store it for a while and sort it when we get time.

I figure each drum weighs 400-600 pounds.

freakshow10mm · July 16, 2009, 01:22 PM

5 gallon bucket of 9mm brass is 72lbs or 8000pcs. Multiply that by 11 and a 55gal drum will hold 88,000 pcs of 9mm brass which is 792lbs.

jmorris · July 16, 2009, 04:56 PM

To count them get a scale and use the info below

9mm, 59.46gr/ea, 117.7cases/#, 8.5#/1000

38spl, 68.06gr/ea, 102.8cases/#, 9.7#/1000

40s&w, 70.1gr/ea, 99.9cases/#, 10#/1000

.357mag, 78.3gr/ea, 89.4cases/#, 11.2#/1000

.45acp, 89.58gr/ea, 78.1cases/#, 12.8#/1000

.223, 95.28gr/ea , 73.5cases/#, 13.6#/1000

.44mag, 114.38gr/ea, 61.2cases/#, 16.3#/1000

50bmg, 865.26gr/ea, 8.1cases/#, 123.5#/1000

All weights are uncleaned fired cases with the primer remaining.

Individual case weights were derived using an average of mixed brass weights (except 50bmg)

So, if you picked up 8#?s of 45 brass: 8# X 78.1cases/# = 625 cases+/-

If you use 1gal ziploc freezer bags to store your brass, each (full) bag contains:

9mm, 15.6#, 1836cases
40s&w, 12.2#, 1219cases
45acp, 11.4#, 890cases
223, 11#, 809cases

or if you use the 5gal bucket method

9MM = 8500-9000 pieces
.40 S&W = 7000-7500 pieces
.45 ACP = 3800-4000 pieces

here is a few more

CASES per POUND:

.380: 145
.357 Sig: 96
.45 GAP: 86
.32: 168
10mm: 96
FN 5.7: 124
.25 acp: 260
.30 Luger: 120
.38 S&W: 120
.38 Super: 104
9mm MAK: 124
.45 Colt: 60
.30-M1: 100
.308: 40
.30-06: 35
7.62x39: 54
.50 AE: 48
.30-30: 52

Mousehouse · July 17, 2009, 11:42 AM

Thanks gentleman. That helps a lot. Now I need to find a bigger scale.

the_right_reverend · July 18, 2009, 06:48 AM

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Does anyone know what a 55 gallon drum of brass would weigh? Mainly 9mm

just shy of a ton

jmorris · July 19, 2009, 08:15 AM

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Does anyone know what a 55 gallon drum of brass would weigh? Mainly 9mm

just shy of a ton

Only if you crushed it. It would be somewhere between 790-850#'s

CenterFireBrass.com · March 17, 2011, 07:46 AM

All the brass I sell on my site is weighed out for count. There is quite a bit of variation in weights though. For instance, 45ACP mixed head stamp averages right at 12:14 lb : oz /1000ct. But, however, if this 45ACP brass is all PMC head stamp, 1000ct is a little heavier at 13:1.5 lb : oz/100ct.

Here is a list of the brass weights I use to sell on the site

Hope this helps some of you out.

**Mike Irwin** · March 17, 2011, 08:41 AM

Original thread is well over two years old.

No reason to bring it up. Other than to pump a for sale site...

November 15, 2008, 01:05 PM	#1
Midwest Matt Member Join Date: November 5, 2008 Location: Southern Iowa Posts: 27	Once fired brass per pound I've done some research and need some help. In order to count 1000 of rounds, can you use a weight basis? Per pound? I'm trying to buy some once fired brass and just curious how they are counting it. For example does 1000 rounds of 45 acp equal 1 pound? 223 per pound? 30-06 per pound? 9mm per pound? Others?

March 17, 2011, 08:41 AM	#19
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	Original thread is well over two years old. No reason to bring it up. Other than to pump a for sale site... __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

November 15, 2008, 01:25 PM	#2
jaguarxk120 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,619	Weigh ten (10) individual cases, take the average weight and divide into 7000 that will give you the amount of pieces in one pound. 7,000 grains equalls one pound. TF

November 15, 2008, 05:27 PM	#3
rn22723 Junior member Join Date: December 10, 2001 Location: Burbs of Minneapolis Posts: 676	Cartridge Weights per 1000 380 Auto- 8.5 lbs 9mm-9 lbs 357 Sig-10 lbs 38 SPL-10 lbs 357 Mag-12 lbs. 10mm-11 lbs. 40 S&W-10 lbs. 45 ACP-12.5 lbs 223 13.25lbs

November 15, 2008, 07:00 PM	#4
Midwest Matt Member Join Date: November 5, 2008 Location: Southern Iowa Posts: 27	Thanks guys. Does anyone have the counts per pound for? 7MM Rem Mag 30-06 30-30 308 243 22-250

November 16, 2008, 01:56 PM	#5
rn22723 Junior member Join Date: December 10, 2001 Location: Burbs of Minneapolis Posts: 676	you gotta do some work here yourself, you can weight a few cases and do the math.

November 16, 2008, 04:19 PM	#6
SteelJM1 Senior Member Join Date: April 1, 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 496	Question is, how much are scrap dealers paying per pound of brass on average? I told the range officer yesterday that i'm willng to pay 25% over the scrap guy for all .38, .357, .30-06, and .243 brass. Im assuming that the scrap guy is maybe paying $1.50/lb, so i'm willing to pay $1.88/lb.

November 16, 2008, 07:31 PM	#7
jaguarxk120 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,619	The scrap dealers are not paying the same as 6 months ago. While back took scrap aluminum and got 50 cents a pound, last week aluminum was 20 cents a pound. Copper is still up there yet. With manufacturing going down so is the demand for metals. The prices are dropping. Save your penny's, as there will be some very good deals comming up as the toy's will be the first to go. TF

November 17, 2008, 12:19 PM	#8
F. Guffey Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2008 Posts: 7,249	Midwest Mike, I was just north of NYC when I had the opportunity to purchase once fired brass by the pound, cost? not was but after separating and organizing, the count was 22,000 cases from 9MM to 30/30. I had less than 100 cases that were not made in the USA and two of the 'less than 100' were Berdan primed, when I went to crush the 2 cases, I could not find them, I went back through the 9MM and found them, had to be the only two without USA head stamps. I will weigh some cases tonight and give you a weight, it will be a + or minus thing, as you know case weight varies. F, Guffey

November 18, 2008, 11:46 AM	#9
F. Guffey Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2008 Posts: 7,249	Midwest Matt, 280 Remington, Nickel- 188 grains 30/06 TW military (Federal) 1953- 184 grains without primer 30/06 TW military (Federal) 1953 203 grains with primer 30/06 RA military (Remington) 1951 183 grains without a primer 30/06Winchester 183 grains without a primer 30/06 FC Federal 198 grains without a primer 38 per pound, 26 lbs per thousand 308 formed from 30/06 military 178 geains without a primer 308 R-P (Remington) 174 grains, new unfired without primer 308 LC 82 Match (Olin) 174 grains, without a primer 308 formed from 30/06 Den 43 (Denver) 179 grains, without a primer 308 formed from 30/06 FA 53 182 grains, without a primer 308 NATO LC 82 188 grains with a primer 40 per pound, 25 lbs per thousand 7MM REM MAG WW Super 244 Grains without a primer, once fired 7MM REM MAG R-P Remington 233 grains without a primer 7MM Rem MAG R-P Remington 243 with a primer 28 per pound, 35 lbs per thousand 22 250 Remington Frontier 164 grains, with a primer 42 per pound, 23 lbs per thousand per pound + or - a case or two, Just built and booted this computer, have not added spell check etc.. F. Guffey

July 16, 2009, 10:35 AM	#10
Mousehouse Junior Member Join Date: January 13, 2009 Posts: 4	Does anyone know what a 55 gallon drum of brass would weigh? Mainly 9mm, 38 special, 223, 40 & 45.

July 16, 2009, 11:13 AM	#12
Mousehouse Junior Member Join Date: January 13, 2009 Posts: 4	I did several searches but nothing came up besides what 1000 pieces weigh. Actually brass is 75 cents a pound currently. Aluminum is 25 cents a pound. We are getting a great deal on it. Store it for a while and sort it when we get time. I figure each drum weighs 400-600 pounds.

July 16, 2009, 01:22 PM	#13
freakshow10mm Junior member Join Date: January 23, 2008 Location: MI Posts: 1,398	5 gallon bucket of 9mm brass is 72lbs or 8000pcs. Multiply that by 11 and a 55gal drum will hold 88,000 pcs of 9mm brass which is 792lbs.

July 16, 2009, 04:56 PM	#14
jmorris Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2006 Posts: 3,077	To count them get a scale and use the info below 9mm, 59.46gr/ea, 117.7cases/#, 8.5#/1000 38spl, 68.06gr/ea, 102.8cases/#, 9.7#/1000 40s&w, 70.1gr/ea, 99.9cases/#, 10#/1000 .357mag, 78.3gr/ea, 89.4cases/#, 11.2#/1000 .45acp, 89.58gr/ea, 78.1cases/#, 12.8#/1000 .223, 95.28gr/ea , 73.5cases/#, 13.6#/1000 .44mag, 114.38gr/ea, 61.2cases/#, 16.3#/1000 50bmg, 865.26gr/ea, 8.1cases/#, 123.5#/1000 All weights are uncleaned fired cases with the primer remaining. Individual case weights were derived using an average of mixed brass weights (except 50bmg) So, if you picked up 8#?s of 45 brass: 8# X 78.1cases/# = 625 cases+/- If you use 1gal ziploc freezer bags to store your brass, each (full) bag contains: 9mm, 15.6#, 1836cases 40s&w, 12.2#, 1219cases 45acp, 11.4#, 890cases 223, 11#, 809cases or if you use the 5gal bucket method 9MM = 8500-9000 pieces .40 S&W = 7000-7500 pieces .45 ACP = 3800-4000 pieces here is a few more CASES per POUND: .380: 145 .357 Sig: 96 .45 GAP: 86 .32: 168 10mm: 96 FN 5.7: 124 .25 acp: 260 .30 Luger: 120 .38 S&W: 120 .38 Super: 104 9mm MAK: 124 .45 Colt: 60 .30-M1: 100 .308: 40 .30-06: 35 7.62x39: 54 .50 AE: 48 .30-30: 52

July 17, 2009, 11:42 AM	#15
Mousehouse Junior Member Join Date: January 13, 2009 Posts: 4	Thanks gentleman. That helps a lot. Now I need to find a bigger scale.