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Old September 12, 2018, 02:10 PM   #1
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Knight LK 93

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I hope you all have been doing well and makin lots of smoke! Anyway, I ran across what looks to be an unfired Knight LK 93. I snapped it up fer 50 bucks. Nice little .50 cal rifle with fiber optic Williams sights. It has #11 ignition which I plan to keep and use loose powder. This thing has an adjustable trigger which currently its set on "a hair" . Any info you guys could offer on this rifle would be great. The LK and Wolverine seem to be the same gun. Are there any other LK or Wolverine shooters out there. If so what is your best load in it?

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Old September 12, 2018, 03:26 PM   #2
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The site below has some old threads to research about the LK 93.
I chose this thread because it doesn't mention very specialized or expensive bullets such as the Knight/Barnes solid copper bullets or those from custom makers.
The main decision is whether you intend to load with sabots or bore size conicals.

https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/bla...oice-lk93.html

P.S. Another popular bullet to use with a sabot that is similar to Hornady XTP's are the Speer Gold Dot bullets that can be bought in bulk.
They became very popular to use for muzzle loading due to very good expansion.

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Old September 12, 2018, 06:50 PM   #3
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Thanks Articap, that help a ton!
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P.S. Another popular bullet to use with a sabot that is similar to Hornady XTP's are the Speer Gold Dot bullets that can be bought in bulk.
They became very popular to use for muzzle loading due to very good expansion.
So, I would buy a .45 cal bullet and use it in a sabot for this .50 cal, correct?
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Old September 18, 2018, 01:06 PM   #5
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Use the bullet specifications for MMP sabots as a guide.--->>> https://www.mmpsabots.com/

They have .50 sabots [green] that fits a .429 - .430 bullet.

They have .50 sabots [black] that fits a .451 - .452 bullet.

They have .50 sabots [orange] that fits a .457 - .458 bullet.

They have .50 sabots [blue] that fits a .399 - .400 bullet.

They have standard sabots & HPH series sabots that are made in 2 diameters for tighter fitting bores - the HPH 12 and the HPH 24 for even tighter bores.

The 3 PetalEZ is for the very tightest bores, but only fits .451 - 452 bullets.

Standard sabots--->>> https://www.mmpsabots.com/store/mmp-standard-sabots/

HPH Series sabots--->>> https://www.mmpsabots.com/store/hph-sabot-series/

Another manufacturer is Harvester sabots which makes ribbed sabots but MMP is the largest maker:--->>> https://www.harvestermuzzleloading.com/

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Old September 18, 2018, 05:11 PM   #6
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I have an older Knight .54 caliber, and have always loved the way it feels, balances, and points. The iron sights are pretty nice, and the adjustable trigger is great.

I got real tired of the price of fancy saboted slugs though. I finally ordered a Lee aluminum Minnie ball mold, and less than a week ago I spent another evening casting; 250 bullets aughtta last me a while. I figure they cost me about 5 cents apiece out of pocket. Throw in the fact I've lucked into clearance sales at Walmart after season, where I buy 5 or 10 pounds of Pyrodex for $11 per pound, and I can actually afford to practice with my gun. And that counts for quite a bit.
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Thanks Arcticap! That is a wealth of info. That will help me a ton!
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The Possum,
Please let me know how your gun shoots those Minnie's
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Old September 19, 2018, 09:26 AM   #9
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I can't say I've ever tried shooting a formal group with 'em. Gonna have to give it a go this year before season. But so far, they seem at least as accurate as any sabot I've tried. I did shoot a coyote at about 55 yards with 'em last year, and the slug went exactly where I had the sights. If I'm remembering correctly, I settled on 90 grains of Pyrodex RS. I had tried up to 120 grains at one point, but it couldn't even keep shots on the paper.

But like I mentioned above, many of the other options out there cost 10 to 30 times (!) more than these Minnie balls. Even if there was a slight loss of accuracy from the bench, I'd still use 'em since I'm on a budget. I think my chances of success are still greater with a 2 MOA gun I'd practiced with & fired 75 times from field positions, vs. a half MOA gun I'd only shot 10 times. The money may not be as big a factor for others here.

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https://www.harvestermuzzleloading.c...ush-rib-sabots

Let me recommend the crushed rib sabots over the others. They really are 50% easier to load. I almost had to drive a few other types in with a mallet.
And if you give them a call and ask nicely, you can get some samples of a few different types. Or at least they sent me some before I decided I liked them. I'm a round ball only guy now, but if I were to need a sabot, it'd be the crush rib.
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Old September 20, 2018, 07:21 PM   #11
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I ordered some of those today Beagle! Thanks for the tip. I can't wait to shoot this thing.
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Old September 27, 2018, 02:49 PM   #12
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I shot the LK 93 today. And man you guys were spot on with your advice. I was using open sights at 50 yards. The fiber in the factory Williams front sight post is gone, so I was having a hard time seeing it. Without the fiber piece its just a clear plastic post. I was firing a 300 grain Hornady XTP .452" bullet in a Harvester Crush Rib Sabot, (Beagle, you were right those things are the Bee's Knees, so easy to load and shoot great!) pushed by 95 grains of RS. Even with my guessing where the front post was I was able to pull off about a 3" group. I will try to replace the fiber if I can find it, if not I will replace the sights. I think this 50 Dollar Rifle is a keeper.
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Old September 27, 2018, 03:25 PM   #13
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Good for you and glad to hear it.

Replacement fibers are available on eBay if you can determine the size.
One seller may be able to help you with different sizes.

I happened to search for Truglo, but maybe another search for your sight maker would produce better results.

Maybe there's a way that the sight can be painted with a fluorescent color in the meantime if the paint will stick, using a nail, wire or toothpick for a rod.

Here's the seller with the store and a sample ad:

1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fiberoptic-....c100005.m1851


2. https://www.ebay.com/str/BullsEye-FI...p2047675.l2563

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Old September 27, 2018, 03:31 PM   #14
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This product ad of his is very informative:

"If you are unsure of the diameter fiber that you need, I have provided a visual comparison to US coins.
1mm fiber is approximately equal to the height of a dime,
1.5mm fiber is approximately equal to the height of a penny
and 2mm fiber is approximately equal to the height of a nickel......"


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fluorescent...r=690022118702

For any muzzle loader front sight:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FIBER-OPTIC...r=690755363835

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Old September 27, 2018, 05:07 PM   #15
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Thanks again Arcticap! Once again a HUGE help.
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I'm noticing some unburnt powder while swabbing between shots. My charge is 95 grains of RS. the LK93 only has a 23.5" barrel. Will Triple 7 burn a little better than Pyrodex. I don't really want to go lighter on the charge. Thats a pretty big rock I'm a chuckin.
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777 kicks harder than Pyrodex.
Pyrodex P should burn cleaner than RS, but should be downloaded by ~5 - 10% compared to an equal volume of RS. About 90 grains of P = 100 grains of RS.
Depending on the granulation, 777 needs to be reduced by 10 - 15%.
About 10% for 2F compared to RS and about 15% if loading 3F 777.

777 can also be slightly more erratic depending on how much it's compacted when rammed, which Pyrodex can also be to some lesser extent.

777 fouling can be stickier and may form a harder crud ring at times, depending on the type of primer and the amount being loaded.

777 is a great powder with more power which may work for you.
You would need to try it to decide for yourself if it shoots as well and whether you can absorb the additional felt recoil without discomfort in a lighter weight rifle.

Switching to Pyrodex P would be a more incremental change.
I've shot with Pyrodex P more often than 777, and in a lot more guns.
I hardly use RS at all, and prefer using P if using Pyrodex.

What you think is unburned powder may be just that.
Or it may simply be by products left over from combustion.

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Old October 3, 2018, 07:54 AM   #18
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Thanks again Arcticap, Thats sounds good to me as I already have Pyrodex P on hand for my revolvers. So at 95 grains of RS, thats about 85 grains of "P", right? I'll try this straight away. I have a bad rotator cuff in my right shoulder that my hard headed self won't have the surgery to let them fix it. So I'm not really a fan of any increase in recoil. At 95 grains the little light rifle pushed on me pretty good as it is.
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There's also 3F American Pioneer Powder which I use in a plunger action rifle and in revolvers.
But with a sidelock sabot rifle I'll use P.

APP is definitely cleaner, but I can't say that it's more accurate.
I'm mostly concerned about the 1st shot anyway, which it's fine for that using 90 - 100 grains.

If taking a lot of shots then 3F APP is good for easy loading, cleaning and less residue.
But I would only recommend the 3F granulation for better inline ignition with a #11 cap and to use in revolvers.

It's worth a try if you can find some even if just for the ease of cleaning.
Try to not to let it absorb moisture by keeping the lid tight on the container, and I'll usually pre-measure charges into pill bottles before going to the range.
I try not to put more into a flask than I intend to use during the session.

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