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Old July 31, 2018, 06:04 AM   #1
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Baikal .45-70 double

There is a Baikal double .12 Gagne that has been made into a .45-70 complete with adjustable rifle sites. Barrels look to be either 16 or 18 inch’s long with full length .45-70 liners. Maybe take out one .45-70 liner and have a cheap 12x.45-70 cape Gun. But at $700.00 starting bid would it be worth bidding on?
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Old July 31, 2018, 07:43 AM   #2
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I wonder if it would be more cost effective to get a Stevens 311 (or similar) for a couple hundred bucks, and have a barrel lined.
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Old July 31, 2018, 08:43 AM   #3
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It would be cheaper but it would be a single shot. I was thinking about using one side for 45-70 and the other side a 12 gauge. That way you could use buck or smaller shot and still have the 45-70.
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Old July 31, 2018, 08:45 AM   #4
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Question 1, how are the rifle inserts retained? Are the shotgun bores unaltered?

Question 2, 16 or 18 inch barrels? It matters. If you reconvert even one barrel to shot, it would not be legal under 18 inches.

I would just put sights on a double shotgun, adjust them to one barrel with slugs and load the other with buck.
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Old August 1, 2018, 06:38 AM   #5
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Always wanted that setup but never got around to it.
Barrels are threaded in like choke tubes, I believe:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/781115411
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Old August 1, 2018, 07:38 AM   #6
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It would be cheaper but it would be a single shot. I was thinking about using one side for 45-70 and the other side a 12 gauge. That way you could use buck or smaller shot and still have the 45-70.
A Stevens 311 is a double barrel, and it is a better quality gun than a baikal.
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Old August 1, 2018, 08:23 AM   #7
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What noelf2 said. Had a classmate work on a Bailkal. She did it for a coworker when she worked at Whittington Center to help pay for school. After seeing her struggle with it, all of us swore off owning one.

Note: It's one thing to work on one and quite another to have to work on it.
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Another issue you could run into, besides the legality of the barrel length for the shotgun side, is extraction. If you take an insert out of one of the barrels, I doubt that the extractor will work for that side anymore. It will have been altered to extract 45-70 cases.
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Old August 1, 2018, 07:56 PM   #9
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The inserts run about$150.00 apiece and the gun is about $400.00 or more,so that’s $700.00 the price they want for the gun. That’s not including the rifle sights that’s been added. I just might bid on it just to have a gun not everybody has. 45-70 on one side and 12 gauge on the the other,make a good woods gun. Think about it you could hunt anything from rabbits to bears. Put a sling on that thing and not worry about anything.
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Old August 2, 2018, 06:21 AM   #10
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There's a cowboy action shooter on gunbroker that smiths double barrel shotguns to make them Cowboy Action ready. I frequently see him selling Baikals. Can't imagine they are all that hard to work on.

Johnny Peoble Meadows
https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search...Sellers=231623

There was videos on how to slick up a tight SxS on youtube. Pretty sure those tricks would work on any side by side.
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Old August 2, 2018, 08:58 AM   #11
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I have one that has abou200 rds thru,still tight and stiff when opening. I believe they are one of the best guns for what you have to spend your money on.
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Old August 2, 2018, 10:02 AM   #12
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Don't know the brand

Take this with the appropriate sized grain of salt.

The typical issue with inexpensive double barrel guns is the regulation of the barrels.
I do suppose that one could adjust the rifle sights for the 45-70 barrel side.

The question would then become what range to adjust the rifle sights for. Typically with a double barrel gun the patterns from both barrels will meet at around 30-50 yards.
I'm not sure how much would be gained by such a gun.
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Old August 2, 2018, 11:48 AM   #13
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Those Baikal rifles were not conversions. They were double rifles from the get go. They're called a MP 221, ARTEMIDA. Dunno if they're still made.
I think the importation, Stateside, was banned in 2014 at least.
If there's a liner it was not done by Baikal.
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I dare say I could tell a conversion from a factory double by looking at it.
Maybe the OP can, too.
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Old August 2, 2018, 06:32 PM   #15
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It is a Baikal double with .45-70 full length liners if I’m not mistaken .
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Old August 3, 2018, 06:39 AM   #16
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EAA still lists 45-70 & 30-30 inserts for Baikal double barrel shotguns. Out of stock, probably indefinitely. EAA was the 1st importer, IIRC.

http://eaacorp.com/gun_accessories/i...l-inserts.html
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