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February 22, 2018, 09:48 AM | #26 | |
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The desperate, urgent and emotional demand for solutions should be resisted simply because it is desperate, urgent and emotional. Those aren't the qualities of sound decision making.
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February 22, 2018, 09:58 AM | #28 | |
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Perhaps the 2nd Amendment should be given the same regard. |
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February 22, 2018, 10:07 AM | #29 |
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It isn't about their maturity level. It's about trying to provide separation (time and distance) from high school before someone can buy a rifle. Generally speaking after 3 years even a nut will move on from the events of high school and will be more concerned with what's going on in their life NOW. The danger of course is we might get more college shootings instead...
I throw this in with the legal age to drink being 21. It didn't stop all teenage drunk driving, but I think it put a good dent in it. The other reality we have to consider is these millennials just aren't as mature as their counterparts even 20 years ago. They come from the land of instant gratification, raised by their iphones and lack the skills to cope. Most of them think texting is the same as having a conversation and social skills! On that note, I also believe they shouldn't be allowed to vote until 21 for many of the same reasons. This video sums it up nicely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc5x-EcvQYY |
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February 22, 2018, 10:18 AM | #31 |
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Trumps tweets on the issue today:
I will be strongly pushing Comprehensive Background Checks with an emphasis on Mental Health. Raise age to 21 and end sale of Bump Stocks! Congress is in a mood to finally do something on this issue - I hope! ....immediately fire back if a savage sicko came to a school with bad intentions. Highly trained teachers would also serve as a deterrent to the cowards that do this. Far more assets at much less cost than guards. A "gun free" school is a magnet for bad people. ATTACKS WOULD END! ....If a potential "sicko shooter" knows that a school has a large number of very weapons talented teachers (and others) who will be instantly shooting, the sicko will NEVER attack that school. Cowards won't go there...problem solved. Must be offensive, defense alone won't work! |
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So the generational war serves us no purpose. Older generations have created current issues, but that wasn't every single member of that generation. The younger generation is different, and there are some technology aspects that I believe will ultimately cause more harm than good, but not all of the younger generation (or even most) are lazy, self-absorbed slobs who live in their parents basement until they're 35. We do a disservice when we try to paint this narrative on all millennials. Adam I didn't personally vote to make America what it is today, nor would I have. Last edited by 5whiskey; February 22, 2018 at 10:40 AM. |
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February 22, 2018, 11:01 AM | #33 | |
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But if I,or others,do a proper rebuttal to your statement,then the Mods will appropriately tell us political arguments off topic. I'd appreciate it if you could edit an "IMO" into the beginning of your statement. I lived those times .Do you hate cars? My Mom came from a time they hitched a horse to a sleigh to go to town from the farm. They did get a model T and a radio. I'm thinking young folks today would not handle the life they idealize very well. Both my parents started at Casablanca March of 1943. They mosied on over to Bizerte,Tunisia.Then Sicily. On to Naples via the Arno River. Yeah,that Greatest Generation messed up the world. Then they wanted their kids to have more than the one room rural turn of the century eighth grade education. I went from having one of those good manufacturing machinist/toolmaker jobs with longevity,growth,education,benefits and a pension to an $8.97 an hour school custodian because my job went to China. Its interesting who you assign that responsibility to.Perhaps your College Profs told you that.I don't know. Most younger folks hiss and spit the word "Corporation" and anything the Government will do to regulate or take from the Evil Corporation is Justice. My Evil Corporation job lasted 27 years. Took me from semi-skilled labor to having a highly skilled trade,via opportunity and education. It was a non-union shop. I get a small pension.I was paid more than the junior engineers,I had 4 weeks vacation,full bennies,etc. You get those working for an Evil Corporation,not so much making pizza. IMO,(see how I do that) what drove jobs to China was the highest corporate taxes in the world,political zealot driven over regulation,and unions that demanded more than the business could deliver. The old story about killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Some of my generation did a lousy job of raising kids. As a result,youger folks eat Tide pods and run up enormous student debt getting degrees in Social Justice Anger.(In my opinion) They do not hold themselves responsible for a lack of marketable job skills. A CDL will get you a job. A heavy equiptment mechanic will have a job.A welder will have a job. A degree in Social Justice Issues,maybe makes pizza. I like pizza. That's fine. Last edited by HiBC; February 22, 2018 at 11:18 AM. |
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February 22, 2018, 11:03 AM | #34 |
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I'm 64 and still don't have an iPhone. May never. I have a hard enough time not tearing a flip phone to pieces around the farm.
You can come up with all kinds of reasons, but prior generations were simply forced to mature earlier by the needs of the time. The insurance commercial where the two boys don't know what a lug wrench is may not be all that far off. Painting with a broad brush 18 year olds now are maybe where 14 year olds were 50 years ago. I know I had my first crop of tobacco before I was old enough to get a drivers license. Never had an "allowance" in my life. Bought my first new car when I was 18 and paid cash for it. 71 Nova SS . World is different now. |
February 22, 2018, 11:33 AM | #35 | |
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I still don't carry a cellular phone of any kind.
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My little girls both spend a lot of time with their little screens. My 15 year old isn't interested in driving. When I ask what they wold want for a birthday, they can't think of anything. Yet, maybe my life was simpler. I wanted to be strong and smart, but no one ever told me it would be OK to be stupid and weak. I will guess that you had a similar sense as a lad that what you should be (smart, honest, strong, reliable) involved goals endorsed by those around you. Young people now don't have that in the same way. In some ways they are actively discouraged from taking personal responsibility and cultural confusion on a range of issues seems more pronounced now. I wonder how either of us would do in that mess.
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We are getting into a debate about the how and why. We are holding up individuals we know as exceptions as some standard.
Are we actually debating, on a whole, that generations before had more responsibility given to them or expected of them at the age of 18 when compared to today's current 18 year olds? Look at the age of first mortgages, marriages, "full-time" jobs, car purchases, insurance purchases, etc. I'm not trying to debate the why or who is at fault. I can't believe that we are actually debating the premise itself because the premise can stand alone from the reasons it exists. |
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For men a full generation older than I am, men in their 80s now, early military or government service, drunk driving, and reasonably predictable vocational opportunities were features of an ordinary life. I'm betting that ZeroJunk wouldn't trade the way he was raised for an iPhone and dirty looks from girls for the simple courtesy of opening a door for one, or not knowing how to call a person because my interpersonal communication happens exclusively by texts, or a workplace in which a person could loose his job if a coworker complained of a micro-aggression. I know I wouldn't make that trade.
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This thread was, from the beginning, similar to the NOT Gun Control thread, in that it was about actions the President may or may not take in regards to the Florida shooting.
Now it has devolved into which generation to blame and which generation is better. Not having that argument here at TFL. Closed. |
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