Muzzleloader BAN ?!

JACKlangrishe · May 31, 2018, 05:35 PM

I can't even believe this is a thing..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKPObRSU5w4

You know.. I always told myself, hey.. even if they banned it all, at least I could defend myself with black powder.

Thomas Jefferson must be spinning in his grave.

Mike38 · May 31, 2018, 06:24 PM

The reasoning? A black powder silencer. I know little to nothing about silencers, but isn't it impossible to pour black powder or pyrodex down the muzzle with a silencer in place? Aren't there baffles that would / could trap most of the powder? That would create a bomb on the end of the barrel. Maybe it's a quick detach unit of some kind?

JACKlangrishe · May 31, 2018, 06:36 PM

They focus on the silencer/suppressor for part of it in the interview, but one of the major motivations in the text is that they're unregulated, no FFL needed, etc..

cslinger · May 31, 2018, 06:55 PM

It may be quieter but just look for the smoke signal that say hey I’m over here.

xandi · May 31, 2018, 07:12 PM

Wouldn’t the suppresser be regulated still? I didn’t think they gave them a free pass just cause the hole is bigger.

Rangerrich99 · May 31, 2018, 07:21 PM

The silencer for these muzzleloaders is integral; in other words, it is a part of the rifle. It can't be removed. At least in the one I saw online not long ago. Also, they have a pic of the offensive muzzleloader on the Giffords website. it's a pretty funny read, actually.

**Aguila Blanca** · June 1, 2018, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike38

isn't it impossible to pour black powder or pyrodex down the muzzle with a silencer in place?

Long funnel neck.

**Aguila Blanca** · June 1, 2018, 12:34 AM

"Once this new muzzle is created, ..."

Poster child for what Tucker was talking about as the segment began: People who know nothing about firearms trying to ~~regulate~~ ban them.

FrankenMauser · June 1, 2018, 12:36 AM

Yep. Basically a funnel.

The rifle ships with a "loading tube" that slips inside the suppressor and allows loading without fouling the baffles.
It is also required that no wadding, patching, sabots, or loose powder be used. Only "solid" powders (pellets) and bullets with affixed gas seals (such as "Power Belt" bullets) are to be loaded.

gwpercle · June 1, 2018, 07:41 PM

The criminals are not going to rush out and start using a black powder muzzle loaders in their drive by shootings or armed robberies, silencer or not ....there is just not enough firepower. When's the last time the good guys had to shoot it out with a gang armed with muzzle loaders..... early 1800's maybe...Right !
That's just plain stupid.

**Aguila Blanca** · June 1, 2018, 08:06 PM

The obvious counter-argument is the First Amendment, and freedom of the press. The authors of the Bill of Rights didn't foresee ball point pens, gel pens, computer word processors, laser printers and computer typesetting, radio, television, tablet computers, smart phones, Twitter, Facebook, digital cameras...

So, members of the media -- GIVE THEM ALL UP. Go back to writing your stories on parchment with quill pens. Images must be hand-etched on copper plates. Newspapers then have to be set in linotype by type monkeys, to be printed by manually-powered printing presses. The newspapers must then be distributed in horse-drawn wagons.

No other media forms are protected by the First Amendment, since the authors of the Bill of Rights didn't have them in mind when they wrote it.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Rob228 · June 1, 2018, 09:23 PM

The argument that the gentlemen kept trying to make about "if the DC sniper had been using this..."

I'm trying to imagine a guy with 4 feet of weapon hiding in the trunk of a car waiting to take a shot. Followed by the same guy passing out from smoke inhalation after pulling the trigger.

**Aguila Blanca** · June 1, 2018, 10:53 PM

^^^

"Hey, I wonder if the shot could have come from that white car across the street - the one hidden by that cloud of smoke."

MTT TL · June 2, 2018, 07:11 AM

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The argument that the gentlemen kept trying to make about "if the DC sniper had been using this..."

Wow, what a complete moron.

How is he going to reload a four foot long black powder rifle in the trunk of a car?

Not only that but I seem to recall pretty clearly that the police were absolutely clueless about the suspects (supposed to be a white middle aged man), the vehicle (looking for a white van), the weapon (a sniper rifle) even though the suspects were calling them constantly trying to get them to pay a blackmail. The noise of the weapon had a sum total of zero effect on the case.

Rob228 · June 2, 2018, 11:45 PM

The car was the suppressor in that situation. Time to put $200 tax stamps and year long waits on vehicles.

**Spats McGee** · June 3, 2018, 06:03 AM

I think I'd seen this clip before. Points that I find interesting and completely unsurprising are that the antigun guy:
1. Weems to think that calibers smaller than .50 won't kill people. He keeps saying "with a .50 caliber bullet, it only takes one shot."
2. Does not want to talk about the ban proposal in specifics. He keeps spouting his supporting statistics ("4% of the population, but half of the guns . . . "), but will not acknowledge any specifics about "muzzle-loader violence" in years past.

MTT TL · June 3, 2018, 07:39 AM

4% of the population with 50% of the guns sounds a lot better than 1% of the population with 90% of the wealth. Gun owners are downright egalitarian.

May 31, 2018, 05:35 PM	#1
JACKlangrishe Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2016 Posts: 114	Muzzleloader BAN ?! I can't even believe this is a thing.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKPObRSU5w4 You know.. I always told myself, hey.. even if they banned it all, at least I could defend myself with black powder. Thomas Jefferson must be spinning in his grave.

May 31, 2018, 06:55 PM	#4
cslinger Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,045	It may be quieter but just look for the smoke signal that say hey I’m over here. __________________ "Is there anyway I can write my local gun store off on my taxes as dependents?"

June 1, 2018, 12:36 AM	#9
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	Yep. Basically a funnel. The rifle ships with a "loading tube" that slips inside the suppressor and allows loading without fouling the baffles. It is also required that no wadding, patching, sabots, or loose powder be used. Only "solid" powders (pellets) and bullets with affixed gas seals (such as "Power Belt" bullets) are to be loaded. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

June 3, 2018, 06:03 AM	#16
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 8,821	I think I'd seen this clip before. Points that I find interesting and completely unsurprising are that the antigun guy: 1. Weems to think that calibers smaller than .50 won't kill people. He keeps saying "with a .50 caliber bullet, it only takes one shot." 2. Does not want to talk about the ban proposal in specifics. He keeps spouting his supporting statistics ("4% of the population, but half of the guns . . . "), but will not acknowledge any specifics about "muzzle-loader violence" in years past. __________________ I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some.

June 3, 2018, 07:39 AM	#17
MTT TL Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 2009 Location: Quadling Country Posts: 2,780	4% of the population with 50% of the guns sounds a lot better than 1% of the population with 90% of the wealth. Gun owners are downright egalitarian. __________________ Thus a man should endeavor to reach this high place of courage with all his heart, and, so trying, never be backward in war.

May 31, 2018, 06:24 PM	#2
Mike38 Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2009 Location: North Central Illinois Posts: 2,710	The reasoning? A black powder silencer. I know little to nothing about silencers, but isn't it impossible to pour black powder or pyrodex down the muzzle with a silencer in place? Aren't there baffles that would / could trap most of the powder? That would create a bomb on the end of the barrel. Maybe it's a quick detach unit of some kind?

May 31, 2018, 06:36 PM	#3
JACKlangrishe Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2016 Posts: 114	They focus on the silencer/suppressor for part of it in the interview, but one of the major motivations in the text is that they're unregulated, no FFL needed, etc..

May 31, 2018, 07:12 PM	#5
xandi Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2015 Location: ga Posts: 321	Wouldn’t the suppresser be regulated still? I didn’t think they gave them a free pass just cause the hole is bigger.

May 31, 2018, 07:21 PM	#6
Rangerrich99 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Location: Kinda near Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,254	The silencer for these muzzleloaders is integral; in other words, it is a part of the rifle. It can't be removed. At least in the one I saw online not long ago. Also, they have a pic of the offensive muzzleloader on the Giffords website. it's a pretty funny read, actually.

June 1, 2018, 12:34 AM	#8
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	"Once this new muzzle is created, ..." Poster child for what Tucker was talking about as the segment began: People who know nothing about firearms trying to ~~regulate~~ ban them.

June 1, 2018, 07:41 PM	#10
gwpercle Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2012 Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana Posts: 1,752	The criminals are not going to rush out and start using a black powder muzzle loaders in their drive by shootings or armed robberies, silencer or not ....there is just not enough firepower. When's the last time the good guys had to shoot it out with a gang armed with muzzle loaders..... early 1800's maybe...Right ! That's just plain stupid.

June 1, 2018, 08:06 PM	#11
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	The obvious counter-argument is the First Amendment, and freedom of the press. The authors of the Bill of Rights didn't foresee ball point pens, gel pens, computer word processors, laser printers and computer typesetting, radio, television, tablet computers, smart phones, Twitter, Facebook, digital cameras... So, members of the media -- GIVE THEM ALL UP. Go back to writing your stories on parchment with quill pens. Images must be hand-etched on copper plates. Newspapers then have to be set in linotype by type monkeys, to be printed by manually-powered printing presses. The newspapers must then be distributed in horse-drawn wagons. No other media forms are protected by the First Amendment, since the authors of the Bill of Rights didn't have them in mind when they wrote it. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

June 1, 2018, 09:23 PM	#12
Rob228 Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2010 Location: Hampstead NC Posts: 1,450	The argument that the gentlemen kept trying to make about "if the DC sniper had been using this..." I'm trying to imagine a guy with 4 feet of weapon hiding in the trunk of a car waiting to take a shot. Followed by the same guy passing out from smoke inhalation after pulling the trigger.

June 1, 2018, 10:53 PM	#13
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	^^^ "Hey, I wonder if the shot could have come from that white car across the street - the one hidden by that cloud of smoke."

June 2, 2018, 11:45 PM	#15
Rob228 Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2010 Location: Hampstead NC Posts: 1,450	The car was the suppressor in that situation. Time to put $200 tax stamps and year long waits on vehicles.