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November 10, 2017, 06:58 PM | #26 |
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I admit that I didn't read all posts, but...
HUH? Bad triggers on CZ75's? Have I slipped into an alternative reality? I own : Walther P38, Beretta 96FS, Sig P226 S&W 6906, 669, 50 CZ75 Of these iconic 9mm, duty sized, DA/SA pistols, the CZ75 is hands down the best DA & SA trigger. I prefer it, other shooters prefer it, new shooters prefer it. I've measured the trigger weights of all & the CZ is as light or lighter than the others. Subjectively, it is smoother than the others. I admit that I'm working from a sample of one of each handgun listed, so maybe my collection is an aberration. YMMV |
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Hangfire I have no experience with the smiths or the Walther. I do have experience with the Beretta, SIG, and CZ. Beretta has a decent trigger, but not as good as a broken in cz75 or a SIG. The old cz75 triggers aren't the best out of the box, but they break in great. Best of all, with a lift!e polishing and some springs they are likely the best da\sa trigger you can get (excluding high end gunsmithing jobs). Sig triggers always feel better dryfiring to me, but I just don't shoot the as well as CZ. Now the new omega triggers CZ uses... They are pretty darn good out the box. Still needs a lighter mainspring, but other than that its good to go. An omega trigger with some spring upgrades will have a trigger every bit as good as a SIG, all for less than you can buy a good used p226 for. |
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November 10, 2017, 09:53 PM | #28 |
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But that won't change the long reset on the CZ
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November 10, 2017, 10:25 PM | #29 |
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I'd assume the OP was asking about CZ75's in comparison to other DA/SA handguns, hence my post above. I didn't compare it to my High Power, Tokarev, or either of my 1911's since those are SA and therefore a different creature from the DA/SA. And I didn't compare CZ's to my striker fired Glocks, XD's, or M&P since they are also a different creature than SA/SA. There are plenty of older threads on those comparisons.
Shooting action competition like IDPA, etc. calls got one type of trigger system, bullseye target competition calls for another type. And so forth for combat pistols and civilian EDC. Personally I'm not comfortable using my 3.5 pound Springfield 1911 for EDC or even home defense - it fires when I start just THINKING about squeezing the trigger. But again, for a full sized duty gun, CZ75 has a great DA/SA trigger. |
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I own a lot of CZ clones and a friend of mine owns about every CZ made, and I never had any problems with the triggers. I don't find that "bad" or heavy triggers bother me, unless they are so bad they are "crunchy". I've had a few guns that came with that, um, feature, but no CZ clones. I just got a Jericho 941 that was sold used, but was unfired(The barrel has no marks on it at all) and in perfect condition. The DA trigger isn't bad at all, IMHO, I have a couple of Tanfoglio TA/90's that even after a ton of use, have heavier triggers than the Jericho does. I'm probably going to eventually install reduced power hammer springs on them, but since I shoot those guns better than anything else I own, I don't think I need to hurry.
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November 11, 2017, 01:07 PM | #31 |
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Figure most of the complaints about CZ triggers is a lot like whiners of M&P triggers...it's glockers that have to knock on stuff they don't understand, and hate that they can't control your option to buy other brands.
Simple truth...step up shoot. Are you worried about bench rest and shooting groups? Are you wanting to knock down plates 10-25 yards? Are you concerned with only hitting the 10 ring? I like my 3, but then again I like hammer guns and I don't get worked up over triggers. I don't compete and never plan to. I have a few pistols I've never even shot at paper, I take them to the range and hit the plates. If I get the results I like there's no need to bother with silly paper. All mine are accurate enough to hit he 100yd gong pretty easily. 15-25 yards at the range they get the job done easily.
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November 11, 2017, 04:16 PM | #32 |
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P99 is DA/SA and actually has a 1/2 lbs lighter trigger in single action than the PPQ. Reset on the PPQ is the same on the P99.
To say the CZ reset is normal is correct. And that's about it. |
November 11, 2017, 05:16 PM | #33 |
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CZ can modify the trigger to suit you or you can have it worked on by a number of custom shops BUT there is no need. It is one of the smoothest triggers right out of the box. Yes the double action trigger has a long pull but it is not heavy nor scratchy. It is smooth and not at all heavy.
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My experience is limited as they don't fit my hand well, a very disappointing realization, but the ones I have sent a mag through have had reasonable triggers. It just isn't a SAO trigger or a worked over trigger from factory.
The range gun rentals I have pulled the trigger on were much smoother than the NIB ones. It is quite rare that a few thousand trigger pulls doesn't have some positive affect. I would love to hear an explanation as to why it wouldn't work on a CZ. |
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If you want to compare the DA/SA trigger of the CZ (after break-in) to a SIG, the only fair comparison is to compare a decocker CZ model vs. the SIGs. The CZ decocks to the half cock notch on the hammer and that starting point allows a shorter, lighter trigger pull.
Unadjusted/unmodified, the safety-equpped DA trigger pull of a CZ is long, and some people can't make it work. You CAN start (and carry) any DA/SA safety-equipped CZ from the half-cock notch and do it safely. (That's the normal starting position of the non-Omega decocker models, and those models have only one hammer hook, not the two of safety-equipped models.) You just can't you do that in most of the gun games. All of the newer "B" models are equipped with a firing pin safety and the firing pin will only move if the trigger is pulled fully to the rear.) As others have noted, there are kits available that allow you to shorten the length of the DA trigger pull and also reduce the reset length. After you've done all of this, the total $$ outlay is still reasonable. RE: CZ vs BHP: As WVsig notes, the CZ and the BHP look a bit alike, but that's about the end of it. The CZ is a DA/SA gun, the BHP was never anything but SA and is a less complex (and in some respects an awkward) design. While both use the same basic Browning Short-Recoil Locked-Breech design, so do 90% of other semi-autos. The CZ and the BHP have little else in common. Last edited by Walt Sherrill; November 12, 2017 at 10:42 AM. |
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But 2000 clicks and bangs had no perceptible effect on my gun, which happened to be a Sig Sauer. So how long should we be willing to dryfire and fire a gun to smooth its action by simple wear? I had rather pay the gunsmith than apply long term elbow grease. Also, can we be assured that use will smooth a particular gun? It might not only be rough, it might be misfit and never show any benefit from friction. This is quite common in the popular guns made out of plastic and stampings. Bent sheet metal is not very consistent, but milled steel can be out of square, too. |
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November 12, 2017, 01:08 PM | #38 |
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Yesterday I took my CZ 75B out to the range and it shot reliably and super accurately with 200 rounds of cheap Fed Champion aluminum case promo ammo. The trigger is not a problem for me whatsoever, the straight beavertail with the edge at the lower tip of the tail put an open sore on the web of my shooting hand though, so next time I have to remember to put some Curad tape on my hand before I shoot this one again!
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I don't mind dry-firing, if it is likely to have some effect, but for a number of my guns, bought new, they went to the gunsmith right away. Some folks like to shoot their gun to smoothness, but I hate shooting a gun with a crappy trigger, and if I have to spend a lot of dollars to pay for the "break-in" ammo, that's adding insult to injury. Last edited by Walt Sherrill; November 14, 2017 at 10:03 AM. |
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I have a lot of .22s I haven't fired that much and don't dry fire them often, but... All my centerfire have been dry fired that much very quickly after I got them. All but one of my centerfire handguns is DA, so that helps a lot. If the manufacturer has a more polished finish to begin with it won't be as drastic, which is probably the case with Sig. Last edited by johnwilliamson062; November 14, 2017 at 08:21 PM. |
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Mine have been good to great. I have two decocker models and the single action does have a little bit more slack/take-up than some single action only guns I have used. The double actions take some getting used to (and definitely can use some smoothing) but when I've used it in more dynamic environments (such as IDPA) I actually find I don't even notice all the perceived weight and stacking that I find when I'm target shooting at a square range
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November 15, 2017, 12:26 AM | #43 |
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Here are my CZ-75's and their triggers:
Turkish contract overrun 75B from the late 1990's: Excellent trigger. Almost sublime. Double-action is longish, but VERY smooth. Single action has some take-up, obviously, but very little creep. Both break very crisply. It's a joy to shoot, except for the low quality springs that were replaced. CZ SP-01 (with safety): Double-action is long and gritty. There is a monster-sized creep before the trigger breaks in single-action. The break is mushy. CZC Shadow Tac II: Double-action feels shorter than the above two (I don't know if that's actually the case, but FEELS appreciably shorter). It is a tad less smoother than the 75B above. Also has a little more creep than the 75B. Much better than the SP-01. The reset is considerably shorter than either, probably because it lacks the firing pin block. CZC SDP: Loooooong double-action. The longest of the bunch. A bit rough too. And greater trigger reach as well (the half-cock/decocked hammer position is closer to the firing pin). Not as bad as the SP-01, but worse than the 75B and the Shadow Tac II. The same with the single-action. Better than the SP-01, but has a moderate amount of creep. This one disappointed me the most, given the price and the custom shop label. CZ P-01 Omega Convertible (in DA/SA mode): heavy, heavy trigger on the double-action, but feels fairly short and crisp. Single action is lighter than SP-01. Some creep, but not an intolerable amount. Not too bad for a low-cost production gun. Cajun Gun Works sells a package ($200+) that supposedly drops in and cuts the double-action pull weight by half. |
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I think I am just going to buy an Inox Beretta 92 and add a D-spring.
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November 15, 2017, 06:49 PM | #45 |
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For those who think CZs have a bad trigger go get your hands on a Shadow 2.
One of the best out of the box DA triggers I have ever felt. It is right about 9.5 lbs but super smooth and does not feel that heavy. SA is short and sweet at 4.5. The gun feels slick.
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$1200 it should!
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Did not pay $1200 no one should pay MSRP for any pistol.
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November 16, 2017, 02:24 AM | #48 |
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I see them for $1050 or so on Gun Broker. I hear the trigger is pretty good, but I’m mire concerned with the sharp apex on the hump of the grip.
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November 17, 2017, 02:29 AM | #49 |
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I am a CZ,75 guy & have now just 5 of them. And I can tell you that the triggers are just fine. If they feel a little ruff at 1st it will feel & get much better in 200 to 350 rounds. Trust me on this the "bad triggers" on CZ'S is a myth. Some feel good right out of the box & some need some rounds put in them 1st. But all of mine are fine & get better the more I shoot them. They are the CZ,75BD,75compact,CZ40,97B,& P-01. I did have a SP-01,tac that I sold was fine also. All are 9mm but the CZ40(40s&w 1911 type) & the 97B 45acp. I just love them CZ'S. Try one I bet you will like it. But one thing you will want more then one of them. Trust me I know.
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4 CZ's in my history and I still have the PCR and Rami. DA is a little stiff in both, but they still shoot where I point 'em. SA is no problem at all with either. Alas, I don't carry either much because if the SHTF I don't want my CZ confiscated by the po-po. The Mod 2 9mm or .45 get the carry duties. After running through approx 35 handguns in 10 years I've settled on the 4 mentioned for daily carry. Pocket carry goes to the Kahr CM9 or Keltec P3AT.
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