shotgun to handgun conversion???

ratrodney · November 22, 2012, 11:58 AM

Hello.
just wondering. If i took a dble barrel 12 guage and sawed the barrel dwn real short.....then completely fabricated a pistol grip onto it....is it legaly now considered a handgun? I know i can do it and cut the barrel to 18 inches but can i legaly convert it with a shorter barrel? Tnx..RR

5.56RifleGuy · November 22, 2012, 12:23 PM

No, that would create an NFA item. Even if it wasnt considered an sbs, it would still be a smootg bore pistol, and you cant have that without paperwork ether.

If you want to do the paperwork, knock yourself out.

Crankgrinder · November 22, 2012, 12:54 PM

you can make a 12 ga double barreled pistol, but you d better not be seen trapsing around with it. way too much legal nonsense around short barreled guns and classification and beurocracy and such its likely to cause all kinds of trouble if seen by the wrong people.

cohoskip · November 22, 2012, 01:28 PM

As I recall, there is a minimum overall length for short barreled shotguns. The barrel must be at least 18" and overall length ? 28" maybe...

**Frank Ettin** · November 22, 2012, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crankgrinder

you can make a 12 ga double barreled pistol, but you d better not be seen trapsing around with it....

And it would also be highly illegal unless you had complied with all the necessary formalities required under the National Firearms Act (and then only if it was also legal under state law as well).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crankgrinder

...way too much legal nonsense around short barreled guns...

You might consider the legal issues to be nonsense, but getting on the wrong side of them has some highly unsatisfactory consequences. It's prudent to take the legal issues seriously.

Bill DeShivs · November 22, 2012, 01:53 PM

Federal law requires 18" bbl length and 26" overall length for shotguns.
Any thing shorter in either dimension requires a $200 federal tax stamp.

5.56RifleGuy · November 22, 2012, 01:57 PM

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/i...-firearms.html

Unless you are going to do the paperwork and pay the tax, dont do it.

"you can make a 12 ga double barreled pistol, but you d better not be seen trapsing around with it. way too much legal nonsense around short barreled guns and classification and beurocracy and such its likely to cause all kinds of trouble if seen by the wrong people."

This is terrible advice. If you are caught with an unregisterd NFA item, you will be jailed for 10 years, and be forced to pay a $250,000 fine.

cslinger · November 22, 2012, 01:59 PM

Pretty sure it becomes an aow with a 5 dollar tax stamp. Still the same hoops to jump through, needs to be legal on fed and state level etc. but I think it would be considered an aow not a sbs.

As was said whether you think the law is arbitary or silly or whatever you still need to take it seriously as not only does it effect you but our community as a whole.

jhenry · November 22, 2012, 02:05 PM

Those uber short pistol gripped shotguns used for breaching are AOWs so it may well be the paperwork and a 5 buck tax stamp. Considerable savings.

I don't know what the practical use of the thing would be, but it would be fun for sure.

5.56RifleGuy · November 22, 2012, 02:06 PM

If you want to make one, its $200. In the scenario described by the OP, the transfer tax would be $200 because it would be classified as a weapon made from a shotgun.

Long Path · November 22, 2012, 02:27 PM

Note: The tax stamp and ATFEIEIO approval must be obtained PRIOR to cutting down the shotgun.

This one has been asked and answered.

November 22, 2012, 11:58 AM	#1
ratrodney Member Join Date: July 4, 2012 Posts: 99	shotgun to handgun conversion??? Hello. just wondering. If i took a dble barrel 12 guage and sawed the barrel dwn real short.....then completely fabricated a pistol grip onto it....is it legaly now considered a handgun? I know i can do it and cut the barrel to 18 inches but can i legaly convert it with a shorter barrel? Tnx..RR

November 22, 2012, 01:28 PM	#4
cohoskip Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2007 Location: Chimacum, WA Posts: 424	As I recall, there is a minimum overall length for short barreled shotguns. The barrel must be at least 18" and overall length ? 28" maybe... __________________ To err is human, to forgive divine Neither is Marine Corps policy... NRA Life Member

November 22, 2012, 01:53 PM	#6
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,978	Federal law requires 18" bbl length and 26" overall length for shotguns. Any thing shorter in either dimension requires a $200 federal tax stamp. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

November 22, 2012, 01:59 PM	#8
cslinger Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,045	Pretty sure it becomes an aow with a 5 dollar tax stamp. Still the same hoops to jump through, needs to be legal on fed and state level etc. but I think it would be considered an aow not a sbs. As was said whether you think the law is arbitary or silly or whatever you still need to take it seriously as not only does it effect you but our community as a whole. __________________ "Is there anyway I can write my local gun store off on my taxes as dependents?"

November 22, 2012, 02:05 PM	#9
jhenry Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Location: Ozarks Posts: 1,840	Those uber short pistol gripped shotguns used for breaching are AOWs so it may well be the paperwork and a 5 buck tax stamp. Considerable savings. I don't know what the practical use of the thing would be, but it would be fun for sure. __________________ "A Liberal is someone who doesn't care what you do, as long as it's mandatory". - Charles Krauthammer

November 22, 2012, 12:23 PM	#2
5.56RifleGuy Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,212	No, that would create an NFA item. Even if it wasnt considered an sbs, it would still be a smootg bore pistol, and you cant have that without paperwork ether. If you want to do the paperwork, knock yourself out.

November 22, 2012, 12:54 PM	#3
Crankgrinder Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 917	you can make a 12 ga double barreled pistol, but you d better not be seen trapsing around with it. way too much legal nonsense around short barreled guns and classification and beurocracy and such its likely to cause all kinds of trouble if seen by the wrong people.

November 22, 2012, 01:57 PM	#7
5.56RifleGuy Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,212	http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/i...-firearms.html Unless you are going to do the paperwork and pay the tax, dont do it. "you can make a 12 ga double barreled pistol, but you d better not be seen trapsing around with it. way too much legal nonsense around short barreled guns and classification and beurocracy and such its likely to cause all kinds of trouble if seen by the wrong people." This is terrible advice. If you are caught with an unregisterd NFA item, you will be jailed for 10 years, and be forced to pay a $250,000 fine.

November 22, 2012, 02:06 PM	#10
5.56RifleGuy Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,212	If you want to make one, its $200. In the scenario described by the OP, the transfer tax would be $200 because it would be classified as a weapon made from a shotgun. Last edited by 5.56RifleGuy; November 22, 2012 at 02:13 PM.

November 22, 2012, 02:27 PM	#11
Long Path Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: N. Texas Posts: 5,899	Note: The tax stamp and ATFEIEIO approval must be obtained PRIOR to cutting down the shotgun. This one has been asked and answered. __________________ "Welcome to The Firing Line, a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership."T.F.L. Policy Page Will you, too, be one who stands in the gap? ____________

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