The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > Hogan's Alley > Handguns: The Revolver Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old February 11, 2020, 08:49 AM   #1
USNRet93
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 23, 2018
Location: Republic of Boulder, USA
Posts: 1,447
Dry firing Ruger Wrangler

Just bought one and when wandering around the interweb found the below..WITH Ruger note in owners manual,
Quote:
The WRANGLER® revolver can be dry-fired without damage to the firing pin or other components.
BUT..just for info...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl0lf0RPAPs

GREAT fun tho..went shooting with it and my Beretta BirdsHead 38spec..great fun!!
__________________
PhormerPhantomPhlyer

"Tools not Trophies”
USNRet93 is offline  
Old February 11, 2020, 10:17 AM   #2
Aguila Blanca
Staff
 
Join Date: September 25, 2008
Location: CONUS
Posts: 13,421
Yep - a guy who doesn't know the difference between a cylinder and a chamber certainly knows more than the people who make the firearm.
__________________
NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor
NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO
1911 Certified Armorer
Jeepaholic
Aguila Blanca is offline  
Old February 11, 2020, 11:11 AM   #3
pete2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 15, 2012
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,129
The damage was caused by dry firing, no doubt. I would have sent it back to Ruger. Min/max tolerances met at the wrong point on his revolver.
On another point, my Wrangler firing pin has a blunt point on it, it has fired every time but it doesn't put much of a dent in the rim. Nothing like the pin in my Single Six. I don't dry fire the Wrangler. Dry firing hasn't hurt my other Rugers, MKII, 10/22s and the Single Six.
The people who made his firearm certainly screwed up on his Wrangler.
pete2 is offline  
Old February 11, 2020, 11:51 AM   #4
Pahoo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 16, 2006
Location: IOWA
Posts: 7,798
Good heads-up !!!!

Good heads-up and Ruger certianly, will take note to rectify !!

My primary take-away on this is to be selective on what and how you dry-fire. Regardless of what "the" manual says, I take steps not to dry fire and do not let others, dry-fire my "stuff". I routinely use my thumb, dummy or spent rounds as well as snap caps. When handling other folk's firearms, I make it a point to assure them that I will not fry fire their 'stuff". …….

I fully understand that there are competition shooters that "need" to dry-fire a firearm and that's their call. ….

Be Safe !!!
__________________
'Fundamental truths' are easy to recognize because they are verified daily through simple observation and thus, require no testing.
Pahoo is offline  
Old February 11, 2020, 08:39 PM   #5
Carl the Floor Walker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 3, 2017
Posts: 632
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aguila Blanca View Post
Yep - a guy who doesn't know the difference between a cylinder and a chamber certainly knows more than the people who make the firearm.
It was obvious he knew the difference. I do not see any need for a comment like that. I can see how it would be useful info for some folks, especially new shooters or younger shooters. Give the guy credit for taking the time to point this info out.
Still, he should not have fired without snap caps. I use dry wall anchors. Ruger should not have put that misinformation in the manual.
Carl the Floor Walker is offline  
Old February 12, 2020, 01:23 AM   #6
Cheapshooter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 2, 2007
Location: Missouri
Posts: 8,053
"Cylinder" instead of chamber, "bore" or "cylinder bore" instead of chamber aside his credibility of knowing what he's talking about flew out the window before that. "Most of my handguns are striker fired and "specifically" you aren't supposed to dry fire them"
Dude, ever hear of Glock?
Rather than a video of his "expertise", contacting Ruger would have been a better plan for everybody concerned .
__________________
Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!
Cheapshooter is offline  
Old February 12, 2020, 02:39 AM   #7
JohnKSa
Staff
 
Join Date: February 12, 2001
Location: DFW Area
Posts: 22,801
Quote:
I would have sent it back to Ruger.
Yup, a rimfire that's supposed to be safe to dryfire should not peen the chamber. Probably a missing or out-of-spec part. Ruger should fix it.
__________________
Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?
JohnKSa is offline  
Old February 12, 2020, 09:35 AM   #8
USNRet93
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 23, 2018
Location: Republic of Boulder, USA
Posts: 1,447
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aguila Blanca View Post
Yep - a guy who doesn't know the difference between a cylinder and a chamber certainly knows more than the people who make the firearm.
Did you see the part where he showed the indentations on the cylinder walls?
FROM the firing pin? That prevented the rounds from going into the cylinder? Guess that's 'fake news' since he
"doesn't know the difference between a cylinder and a chamber certainly knows more than the people who make the firearm"..yeegads.
Quote:
The damage was caused by dry firing, no doubt. I would have sent it back to Ruger. Min/max tolerances met at the wrong point on his revolver.
He made that point also..even if he make the YUGE cardinal error of calling a 'cylinder' a 'chamber' or whatever something...
Quote:
It was obvious he knew the difference. I do not see any need for a comment like that. I can see how it would be useful info for some folks, especially new shooters or younger shooters. Give the guy credit for taking the time to point this info out.
Agree..and it caused me to look at my new Ruger..(I don't dry fire it at all)..

I guess he could have kept all this to himself, then let 'some' bad mouth Ruger...AND him...
Quote:
Rather than a video of his "expertise", contacting Ruger would have been a better plan for everybody concerned
See above, he implied it was a QC issue and anybody seeing this SHOULD contact Ruger.
__________________
PhormerPhantomPhlyer

"Tools not Trophies”

Last edited by USNRet93; February 12, 2020 at 09:41 AM.
USNRet93 is offline  
Old February 12, 2020, 11:05 AM   #9
FrankenMauser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Location: Potatoes and Hops
Posts: 12,105
Sample size of ONE.
__________________
Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.
FrankenMauser is offline  
Old February 12, 2020, 12:32 PM   #10
44 AMP
Staff
 
Join Date: March 11, 2006
Location: Upper US
Posts: 20,850
If the manufacturer says "mechanism will not be damaged by doing X" an it is damaged by doing X then it is defective. Simple. One individual gun is defective. Call Ruger, they WILL fix it.

Now, if you've got 3 or 3 dozen of that specific model and ALL of them do it, THEN you have a case for saying the factory is having problems.
__________________
All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.
44 AMP is offline  
Old February 12, 2020, 01:36 PM   #11
Cheapshooter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 2, 2007
Location: Missouri
Posts: 8,053
If the firing pin is striking the cylinder with enough force to peen it there is probably a bigger, even potentially dangerous problem than not being able to dry fire it. Is the firing pin length out of spec enough for it to negate the need for the transfer bar to make contact with the rim. Making the transfer bar safety useless.
Instead of taking a file to the chambers, contacting Ruger is definitely in order.
As a side note, nothing but this one video comes up when searching dry fire problems with Ruger Wrangler.
A one off incident, or at least not an epidemic of QC problems, or design flaw.
__________________
Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!
Cheapshooter is offline  
Old February 13, 2020, 09:28 AM   #12
USNRet93
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 23, 2018
Location: Republic of Boulder, USA
Posts: 1,447
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankenMauser View Post
Sample size of ONE.
Perhaps but without this video I would have read the owners manual and 'maybe' dry fired the thing..and create a scenario where I gotta contact Ruger, plus all the rig-a-ma-roll...

blah, blah..It's just a PSA..you can bad mouth it if you want or ignore it or dry fire your Wrangler..don matter to me.
__________________
PhormerPhantomPhlyer

"Tools not Trophies”
USNRet93 is offline  
Old February 13, 2020, 10:08 AM   #13
bamaranger
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 9, 2009
Location: North Alabama
Posts: 7,022
interesting

All very interesting.....I have not viewed the video yet.

I was taught as a lad NOT to dry fire any rimfire, and have abided by that instruction pretty much since.
bamaranger is offline  
Old February 13, 2020, 01:24 PM   #14
FrankenMauser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Location: Potatoes and Hops
Posts: 12,105
I dry-fire mine occasionally - usually while it is traveling between a case and the safe.
I never read the manual and don't really care what it says.

I am not the average fecal floater in the punch bowl, though. Before even firing mine, I checked firing pin protrusion during the nearly complete detail strip that I did to see how it compared to other Ruger SA revolvers. Plenty good enough to crunch the rim of a cartridge, but incapable of touching the cylinder unless something breaks.



Sample size +1.
__________________
Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.
FrankenMauser is offline  
Old February 13, 2020, 02:59 PM   #15
Cheapshooter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 2, 2007
Location: Missouri
Posts: 8,053
Quote:
Before even firing mine, I checked firing pin protrusion during the nearly complete detail strip that I did to see how it compared to other Ruger SA revolvers. Plenty good enough to crunch the rim of a cartridge, but incapable of touching the cylinder unless something breaks.
What would be your hypothesis on the gun in the video? Out of spec firing pin? Or broaken/missing part. Isn't there some sort of pin in the frame to limit the firing pin travel on Ruger revolvers?
Possible reason that the firing pin peened the cylinder, and potentially dangerous problem that the owner in the video should be taking to Ruger rather than taking a file to his gun!
__________________
Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!
Cheapshooter is offline  
Old February 13, 2020, 06:48 PM   #16
FrankenMauser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Location: Potatoes and Hops
Posts: 12,105
My guess(es) would be:
Long firing pin, and/or missing, broken, or damaged rebound spring.

The Wrangler has a rebounding firing pin. I don't recall the exact parts arrangement for the firing pin, but I seem to remember thinking that a missing spring could be trouble.
__________________
Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.
FrankenMauser is offline  
Old February 13, 2020, 06:55 PM   #17
FrankenMauser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Location: Potatoes and Hops
Posts: 12,105
Having taken another look at my Wrangler and photographs, as well as photos on the internet, and called another Wrangler owner to ask about that one... I'm beginning to doubt the legitimacy of the YouTube video.
Wranglers have flat firing pins. In the video, the dimples appear to be concave.

1+1=3? ...And more clicks/views.
__________________
Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.
FrankenMauser is offline  
Old February 13, 2020, 07:46 PM   #18
Pahoo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 16, 2006
Location: IOWA
Posts: 7,798
Dry-Fire at your own risk !!!

Quote:
I'm beginning to doubt the legitimacy of the YouTube video.
Then I would add; Dry-Fire at your own risk !!!

No problem here as I do not own one and if I did, would not dry-fire, just to prove "something". ….

Be Safe !!!
__________________
'Fundamental truths' are easy to recognize because they are verified daily through simple observation and thus, require no testing.
Pahoo is offline  
Old February 14, 2020, 12:08 PM   #19
Cheapshooter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 2, 2007
Location: Missouri
Posts: 8,053
With a couple BPS gift cards from Christmas, a few bucks in Club points, and some "mad money" stached, I might have to just buy a Wrangler to find out!
__________________
Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!
Cheapshooter is offline  
Old February 14, 2020, 06:30 PM   #20
Carmady
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 26, 2013
Location: on the lam
Posts: 1,390
At the 5:00 mark he's showing the back of the cylinder.

What are the marks at 9 o'clock at the outside edge of the rim on every charge hole (when the holes are at 12 o'clock)?
Carmady is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2018 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.07588 seconds with 9 queries