Survival is More Important Than Safety

Hard Ball · March 14, 2010, 02:46 PM

In a real world gunfight things happen VERY rapidly. The slightest delay in drawing, firing and getting COM hits is likely to get you killed. Every aspect of of your equipment and shooting technique must reflect this point. Reject any "safety" tecnhnnuques that are very likely to get you killed. Beware of instructors who do not understand this.

Deaf Smith · March 14, 2010, 02:51 PM

HB,

What is a "safety" technique from a range exactly? Cold range?

old bear · March 14, 2010, 03:14 PM

Sir, I can't think of any range safety regulations that would hamper normal training, and I can't think of any safety regulations that should not be followed. Would you please give me some of what you are referring to.

Thanks

Glenn Dee · March 14, 2010, 04:19 PM

And you know this... How?... Mr hardBall?

Hard Ball · March 14, 2010, 04:22 PM

Surviving two close range gunfights. In each case a pistol against a submachine gun.

sakeneko · March 14, 2010, 04:23 PM

How is "safety" not the same thing as "survival" in any situation where your life is in danger and you are defending yourself?

TailGator · March 14, 2010, 04:43 PM

Like some others, I am trying unsuccessfully to figure out what you are referring to, Hard Ball. It seems that you are saying that certain safety techniques slow you down in self defense, but I can't think of what you mean. Examples and further elaboration would be much appreciated.

Ben Towe · March 14, 2010, 04:43 PM

I think he's talking about holsters and etc. more than anything. Must say I agree on holsters. Don't like my gun lashed down.

I don't think anybody is gonna be too strict on safe gun handling I the middle of a gunfight anyway simply because of the stress.

ClayInTx · March 14, 2010, 06:20 PM

I can think of one thing in training videos I’ve seen which I believe is a crock. That is the Weaver Stance.

The Weaver Stance has no place in self defense. If you need the accuracy of it then you are likely far enough away from the BG to get the hell out of Dodge, or do some fancy zig-zags whilst getting far enough away to get the hell out of Dodge.

The firing range and the C-Store at night are not the same thing, not even close.

Of course we’ll now have the comments that “you shouldn’t have been there”. I’m waiting until someone posts of a home invasion and someone chimes in with “you shouldn’t have been there.”

Don P · March 14, 2010, 06:37 PM

Perhaps the OP will expand on his post so we may know what brought this advice to the surface.

Double Naught Spy · March 14, 2010, 06:52 PM

Yeah, I would hate to use any safety techniques. It would be better that I end up killing myself or some unintended person such as a loved one rather than letting some bad guy kill me.

What a bizarre drive-by followed up by a proclamation of prowess with absolutely no explanation as to what the heck he is talking about.

pax · March 14, 2010, 10:29 PM

Closed.

Hard Ball, please PM me with a detailed explanation of what in the world you meant if you want to see this reopened. As it is, it certainly looks like trolling.

pax

March 14, 2010, 02:46 PM	#1
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	Survival is More Important Than Safety In a real world gunfight things happen VERY rapidly. The slightest delay in drawing, firing and getting COM hits is likely to get you killed. Every aspect of of your equipment and shooting technique must reflect this point. Reject any "safety" tecnhnnuques that are very likely to get you killed. Beware of instructors who do not understand this. __________________ "I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemeis domestic or foreign WHOMSOEVER."

March 14, 2010, 02:51 PM	#2
Deaf Smith Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2000 Location: Texican! Posts: 4,453	HB, What is a "safety" technique from a range exactly? Cold range? __________________ “To you who call yourselves ‘men of peace,’ I say, you are not safe without men of action by your side” Thucydides

March 14, 2010, 03:14 PM	#3
old bear Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2009 Location: Not close enough to the beach Posts: 1,477	What safety regulations? Sir, I can't think of any range safety regulations that would hamper normal training, and I can't think of any safety regulations that should not be followed. Would you please give me some of what you are referring to. Thanks

March 14, 2010, 04:22 PM	#5
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	Surviving two close range gunfights. In each case a pistol against a submachine gun. __________________ "I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemeis domestic or foreign WHOMSOEVER."

March 14, 2010, 04:43 PM	#8
Ben Towe Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2009 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 1,128	I think he's talking about holsters and etc. more than anything. Must say I agree on holsters. Don't like my gun lashed down. I don't think anybody is gonna be too strict on safe gun handling I the middle of a gunfight anyway simply because of the stress. __________________ 'Merica: Back to back World War Champs

March 14, 2010, 04:19 PM	#4
Glenn Dee Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,560	And you know this... How?... Mr hardBall?

March 14, 2010, 04:23 PM	#6
sakeneko Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2009 Location: Nevada Posts: 644	How is "safety" not the same thing as "survival" in any situation where your life is in danger and you are defending yourself?

March 14, 2010, 04:43 PM	#7
TailGator Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,787	Like some others, I am trying unsuccessfully to figure out what you are referring to, Hard Ball. It seems that you are saying that certain safety techniques slow you down in self defense, but I can't think of what you mean. Examples and further elaboration would be much appreciated.

March 14, 2010, 06:20 PM	#9
ClayInTx Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,066	I can think of one thing in training videos I’ve seen which I believe is a crock. That is the Weaver Stance. The Weaver Stance has no place in self defense. If you need the accuracy of it then you are likely far enough away from the BG to get the hell out of Dodge, or do some fancy zig-zags whilst getting far enough away to get the hell out of Dodge. The firing range and the C-Store at night are not the same thing, not even close. Of course we’ll now have the comments that “you shouldn’t have been there”. I’m waiting until someone posts of a home invasion and someone chimes in with “you shouldn’t have been there.”

March 14, 2010, 06:37 PM	#10
Don P Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2005 Location: Swamp dweller Posts: 6,187	Perhaps the OP will expand on his post so we may know what brought this advice to the surface. __________________ *NRA Life Member, NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, NRA Certified Pistol Instructor,, USPSA & Steel Challange NROI Range Officer, ICORE Range Officer, ,MAG 40 Graduate* *As you are, I once was, As I am, You will be.*

March 14, 2010, 06:52 PM	#11
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	Yeah, I would hate to use any safety techniques. It would be better that I end up killing myself or some unintended person such as a loved one rather than letting some bad guy kill me. What a bizarre drive-by followed up by a proclamation of prowess with absolutely no explanation as to what the heck he is talking about. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

March 14, 2010, 10:29 PM	#12
pax Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2000 Location: In a state of flux Posts: 7,520	Closed. Hard Ball, please PM me with a detailed explanation of what in the world you meant if you want to see this reopened. As it is, it certainly looks like trolling. pax __________________ Kathy Jackson My personal website: Cornered Cat