Reloading hints for 44-40 El Tigre Winchester clone 1894 - Page 2

PetahW · December 27, 2013, 09:39 AM

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" The El Tigre rifle was a Spanish copy of the Winchester Model 1892 made by Garate, Anitua y Cia., an Eibar based arms manufacturer, between 1915 and 1938. "

AFAIK, there's no way to drill down to the year of manufacture of any particular example except to make a WAG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Tigre_%28rifle%29

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Bill Akins · January 4, 2014, 06:59 AM

An interesting side note of the "El Tigre" copy of the Win '92, is that several large loop and setscrew triggers modified El Tigre's in 44-40 were used (along with real Win '92's) in the t.v. series..."The Rifleman" starring Chuck Conners. From accounts read, they were mostly used in saddle scabbards shots and the Win 92's were used for shooting. Not sure if any El Tigre's were used for shots showing them shooting in the series.

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Hawg Haggen wrote:
I dunno. Almost everything I've found says they were well made almost identical copies of the Winchester. I know from some of the pics I've seen they were not made from pot metal.

+1 This.

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bigbuck007 · January 4, 2014, 05:37 PM

Dear all

I agree its not made of potmetal therefore it shoots to nice

and btw how can i check if it is potmetal?? How does a potmetal rifle has to look like?

Regards

Bigbuck

Hawg · January 4, 2014, 08:27 PM

Pot metal doesn't rust and yours definitely has some rust. Also a magnet won't stick to it. BTW alloy receivers aren't made from actual pot metal but more likely Zamak which has a pretty high tensile strength.

Bill Akins · January 5, 2014, 02:56 AM

Also pot metal is what you usually find used in metal toy cap pistols and replica, non firing model guns that are just used for display. If not cheaply plated, it usually has a dull finish and looks a bit like pewter metal, has little strength and breaks easily and wouldn't hold up to the chamber pressures used in a real firearm unless maybe just a .22 short single shot with a really thick barrel. I have a replica, non firing, dull, raw pewter like finish, Colt 1873 peacemaker that's made of pot metal, that I just use for bookcase display and practicing twirling.

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bigbuck007 · January 6, 2014, 05:32 PM

Thanks. Now that i know what pot metal means i am relaxed my tigre is shurly not made of that pot.....

Btw had some tests with my 44-40 colt with 33 grain bp loads. This makes a real bang!! I am impressed - does it hurt my colt at all???

Bigbuck

Hawg · January 6, 2014, 09:04 PM

Not as long as the powder is compressed.

Roaddog · January 7, 2014, 07:12 AM

And don't let the sun set with a dirte gun.

bigbuck007 · January 7, 2014, 07:24 AM

the 33 grain are filling the brass just that the bullet will press it a bit during the seating. So you think this is just fine and i should enjoy the booom??

and cleaning is much nicer than with my c&b revolvers because the brass seals quite good....

bigbuck

Hawg · January 7, 2014, 06:42 PM

I use 37 with a 200 grain bullet.

bigbuck007 · January 8, 2014, 09:11 AM

How do you get 37 grain in it?

My 44-40 brass will flow over with 37 grain..

Long live the BP booom

bigbuck

Hawg · January 8, 2014, 07:10 PM

It shouldn't.

January 5, 2014, 02:56 AM	#30
Bill Akins Senior Member Join Date: August 28, 2007 Location: Hudson, Florida Posts: 1,135	Also pot metal is what you usually find used in metal toy cap pistols and replica, non firing model guns that are just used for display. If not cheaply plated, it usually has a dull finish and looks a bit like pewter metal, has little strength and breaks easily and wouldn't hold up to the chamber pressures used in a real firearm unless maybe just a .22 short single shot with a really thick barrel. I have a replica, non firing, dull, raw pewter like finish, Colt 1873 peacemaker that's made of pot metal, that I just use for bookcase display and practicing twirling. . __________________ "This is my Remy and this is my Colt. Remy loads easy and topstrap strong, Colt balances better and never feels wrong. A repro black powder revolver gun, they smoke and shoot lead and give me much fun. I can't figure out which one I like better, they're both fine revolvers that fit in my leather". "To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target". Last edited by Bill Akins; January 5, 2014 at 03:10 AM.

January 6, 2014, 05:32 PM	#31
bigbuck007 Member Join Date: March 5, 2012 Location: Bavaria Posts: 67	Reloading hints for 44-40 El Tigre Winchester clone 1894 Thanks. Now that i know what pot metal means i am relaxed my tigre is shurly not made of that pot..... Btw had some tests with my 44-40 colt with 33 grain bp loads. This makes a real bang!! I am impressed - does it hurt my colt at all??? Bigbuck

January 7, 2014, 07:24 AM	#34
bigbuck007 Member Join Date: March 5, 2012 Location: Bavaria Posts: 67	the 33 grain are filling the brass just that the bullet will press it a bit during the seating. So you think this is just fine and i should enjoy the booom?? and cleaning is much nicer than with my c&b revolvers because the brass seals quite good.... bigbuck __________________ Do unto others as they would do unto you, but do it first." Amen

January 8, 2014, 09:11 AM	#36
bigbuck007 Member Join Date: March 5, 2012 Location: Bavaria Posts: 67	How do you get 37 grain in it? My 44-40 brass will flow over with 37 grain.. Long live the BP booom bigbuck __________________ Do unto others as they would do unto you, but do it first." Amen

December 27, 2013, 09:39 AM	#26
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	. " The El Tigre rifle was a Spanish copy of the Winchester Model 1892 made by Garate, Anitua y Cia., an Eibar based arms manufacturer, between 1915 and 1938. " AFAIK, there's no way to drill down to the year of manufacture of any particular example except to make a WAG. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Tigre_%28rifle%29 .

January 4, 2014, 05:37 PM	#28
bigbuck007 Member Join Date: March 5, 2012 Location: Bavaria Posts: 67	Dear all I agree its not made of potmetal therefore it shoots to nice and btw how can i check if it is potmetal?? How does a potmetal rifle has to look like? Regards Bigbuck

January 4, 2014, 08:27 PM	#29
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Pot metal doesn't rust and yours definitely has some rust. Also a magnet won't stick to it. BTW alloy receivers aren't made from actual pot metal but more likely Zamak which has a pretty high tensile strength.

January 6, 2014, 09:04 PM	#32
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Not as long as the powder is compressed.

January 7, 2014, 07:12 AM	#33
Roaddog Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2010 Location: East central Minnesota Posts: 202	And don't let the sun set with a dirte gun.

January 7, 2014, 06:42 PM	#35
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	I use 37 with a 200 grain bullet.

January 8, 2014, 07:10 PM	#37
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	It shouldn't.