cycling problem with S&B's

curious · June 11, 2000, 08:59 PM

I have had cycling or racking problems with Sellier & Bellot buck shot. I actually have to tip my moss 500a to the left (I am right handed) so it won't jam when I am working the action. American stuff is fine. Anybody else have this problem or have a cure. I am at the point of using what I have left and not buying any more.

thanks
curious

Dave McC · June 12, 2000, 05:30 AM

The fix, of course, is to only use USA made ammo. Some ammo is made on the loose side of the tolerances, some not. Every once in a while I'll run across a shotgun that FTF's with just one brand of ammo,and not with others.

One thing, how old is that 500? Some new stuff must be broken in, and some older shotguns have crud buildup in odd places. Try a good cleaning and lube job, see if it helps....

hagar · June 12, 2000, 09:28 AM

I have had problems with their "clear buck" in my Mossberg 9200 semi-auto. Shoots the S&B #7 loads fine, but the buckshot loads jam almost every time. Coould never figure out why.

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June 12, 2000, 10:14 AM

Are either of those 2 guns chambered for 2 3/4" only? 2 3/4" S&B buckshot loads are actually about 2 7/8" long.

Daniel Watters · June 12, 2000, 11:40 AM

Jeff: Shotshell length is measured from the fired length not crimped length. Thus, the roll crimped S&B tend to be longer than the star-crimped hulls of other brands...both unfold to 2-3/4". This also how folks sometimes accidentally chamber 3" shells in a 2-3/4" chamber.

To give an example, my Federal H132 (9 pellet OO Buck) measures 2.344". A S&B 12 pellet OO Buck measures 2.568". Yet both are marked 2-3/4". As a comparison, a Winchester Super-X 3" 1oz. Slug measures 2.558"!

BTW: The S&B 12 pellet 00 Buck functions flawlessly in my Beretta 1201FP3. It smells weird though, probably due to the fiber wadding.

Dave McC · June 12, 2000, 04:41 PM

I've heard S&B gets the nitrates for the gunpowder from,uh, recent organic sources. This would account for the smell. Old pre WWII shells had a similiar aroma.

actionshooter · June 12, 2000, 06:59 PM

The S&B buck works great in my M1 S90. It also patterns very well. The only problem I have is that I loose 1 round in the tube because they are longer.

June 12, 2000, 07:12 PM

I did not know that about shotgun rounds. Truthfully, I just held an unfired S&B up next to a Federal to compare length.

As an aside, a fraternity brother of mine had an old 16-gauge Auto-5 chambered for 2 9/16" or something. He had to open the crimps on 2 3/4" shells, trim off 3/16" with an exacto knife, fold the crimp back down and drip candle wax on it. Worked pretty well.

curious · June 12, 2000, 09:14 PM

the guns about a year and a half. Its had atleast 500 rounds thru it and I completely clean (tear it down) every time I use it. Anything is possible but I think it just doesn't like these clear S&B buckshot shells. They do pattern well. The gun is for hd, so if I can't trust the shells to feed correctly I will have to forget about them.
thanks for the info
curious

taco · June 13, 2000, 12:03 AM

I fired about 200 rounds of that clear hull buckshot in last 2 years and they function perfectly in my Rem 870 and Chinese 870 copy.

Dave McC · June 13, 2000, 05:18 AM

Everybody probably knows this,but.....

Reliability is an essential. Before one dedicates am arm to defense, one should and must ensure that the weapon and ammo are compatible,effective and reliable.

With shotguns, this means that one should fire maybeso 100 rounds or more of ammo of choice w/o ANY glitches before betting the lives of you and family on it.New shotguns, double that, at least.

Some shotguns are reputable for dependability, like the Auto-5,870, 97,37 and 12. Even with these, a break in period and use should precede assignment to HD status.

Now this doesn't mean you have to go out and punish yourself firing off all 100 rounds of 3 inch,15 pellet 00 today. Maybe over the course of a coupla weekends, interspersed with clays or whatever and practice ammo.And, for that matter, one doesn't need 15 pellet 00 to work. Use some sense instead of having to reach for the anti-inflammatories.

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June 11, 2000, 08:59 PM	#1
curious Member Join Date: March 12, 2000 Posts: 49	I have had cycling or racking problems with Sellier & Bellot buck shot. I actually have to tip my moss 500a to the left (I am right handed) so it won't jam when I am working the action. American stuff is fine. Anybody else have this problem or have a cure. I am at the point of using what I have left and not buying any more. thanks curious

June 12, 2000, 05:30 AM	#2
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	The fix, of course, is to only use USA made ammo. Some ammo is made on the loose side of the tolerances, some not. Every once in a while I'll run across a shotgun that FTF's with just one brand of ammo,and not with others. One thing, how old is that 500? Some new stuff must be broken in, and some older shotguns have crud buildup in odd places. Try a good cleaning and lube job, see if it helps....

June 12, 2000, 09:28 AM	#3
hagar Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2000 Location: Colombia, SC Posts: 745	I have had problems with their "clear buck" in my Mossberg 9200 semi-auto. Shoots the S&B #7 loads fine, but the buckshot loads jam almost every time. Coould never figure out why. ------------------ I don't have time for busy people

June 12, 2000, 10:14 AM	#4
Jeff, CA Guest Posts: n/a	Are either of those 2 guns chambered for 2 3/4" only? 2 3/4" S&B buckshot loads are actually about 2 7/8" long.

June 12, 2000, 11:40 AM	#5
Daniel Watters Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 1999 Location: USA Posts: 644	Jeff: Shotshell length is measured from the fired length not crimped length. Thus, the roll crimped S&B tend to be longer than the star-crimped hulls of other brands...both unfold to 2-3/4". This also how folks sometimes accidentally chamber 3" shells in a 2-3/4" chamber. To give an example, my Federal H132 (9 pellet OO Buck) measures 2.344". A S&B 12 pellet OO Buck measures 2.568". Yet both are marked 2-3/4". As a comparison, a Winchester Super-X 3" 1oz. Slug measures 2.558"! BTW: The S&B 12 pellet 00 Buck functions flawlessly in my Beretta 1201FP3. It smells weird though, probably due to the fiber wadding.

June 12, 2000, 04:41 PM	#6
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	I've heard S&B gets the nitrates for the gunpowder from,uh, recent organic sources. This would account for the smell. Old pre WWII shells had a similiar aroma.

June 12, 2000, 06:59 PM	#7
actionshooter Member Join Date: January 19, 2000 Posts: 27	The S&B buck works great in my M1 S90. It also patterns very well. The only problem I have is that I loose 1 round in the tube because they are longer.

June 12, 2000, 07:12 PM	#8
Jeff, CA Guest Posts: n/a	I did not know that about shotgun rounds. Truthfully, I just held an unfired S&B up next to a Federal to compare length. As an aside, a fraternity brother of mine had an old 16-gauge Auto-5 chambered for 2 9/16" or something. He had to open the crimps on 2 3/4" shells, trim off 3/16" with an exacto knife, fold the crimp back down and drip candle wax on it. Worked pretty well.

June 12, 2000, 09:14 PM	#9
curious Member Join Date: March 12, 2000 Posts: 49	the guns about a year and a half. Its had atleast 500 rounds thru it and I completely clean (tear it down) every time I use it. Anything is possible but I think it just doesn't like these clear S&B buckshot shells. They do pattern well. The gun is for hd, so if I can't trust the shells to feed correctly I will have to forget about them. thanks for the info curious

June 13, 2000, 12:03 AM	#10
taco Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2000 Location: USA Posts: 936	I fired about 200 rounds of that clear hull buckshot in last 2 years and they function perfectly in my Rem 870 and Chinese 870 copy.

June 13, 2000, 05:18 AM	#11
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Everybody probably knows this,but..... Reliability is an essential. Before one dedicates am arm to defense, one should and must ensure that the weapon and ammo are compatible,effective and reliable. With shotguns, this means that one should fire maybeso 100 rounds or more of ammo of choice w/o ANY glitches before betting the lives of you and family on it.New shotguns, double that, at least. Some shotguns are reputable for dependability, like the Auto-5,870, 97,37 and 12. Even with these, a break in period and use should precede assignment to HD status. Now this doesn't mean you have to go out and punish yourself firing off all 100 rounds of 3 inch,15 pellet 00 today. Maybe over the course of a coupla weekends, interspersed with clays or whatever and practice ammo.And, for that matter, one doesn't need 15 pellet 00 to work. Use some sense instead of having to reach for the anti-inflammatories.