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August 10, 2016, 06:21 PM | #26 | |
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I would think that the 1050 with its motorized system and significant automation would qualify. Quote:
But you're on target about the strategy. Generally it's a bad idea to anger a huge group of voters, so the strategy is to nibble around the edges, making slow gains but never making a lot of voters angry at one time. They don't have a time limit, so they can afford to take very small steps.
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Reloading might just be the next big hit. The administration loves the idea of modeling the the US after the EU; many EU countries made reloading illegal.
The definition of "systematic" means whatever they want it to mean, down the road it won't just mean motorized. IF that's what it even means today. I can see primers redefined to come under the same restrictions as blasting caps. I can see smokeless and black powder coming under the same restrictions as TNT. It will just take them a while. Or maybe not that long at all. Many are focused on the annual fee. Writing that check is the least onerous part of the process. Compliance reporting requirements make up most of the hassle. A company I worked for had 3-4 people just tracking the paperwork and reporting potential exports to the government. That company had to "ask permission" for potential exports on a monthly basis to receive what amounted to a "tracking number." Every potential export must be reported and logged in real time. Last edited by mag1911; August 11, 2016 at 04:24 AM. |
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As someone ignorant to all of this.... This is a scary thread.
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I would say the answer to that depends pretty heavily on the outcome of the next election.
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August 14, 2016, 11:45 AM | #33 |
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The wording 'systematic production' of ammunition was very carefully chosen.
Your reloading bench is the next target, believe it or not, give it a few years and it will happen. Elections have consequences. Vote this November. |
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Well, I don't claim to know a bunch about import/export laws, and how they effect guns and such, but I do believe if this President is involved with anything related to firearms, then it probably is not to our advantage.
His track record and what he says does make a difference. JMHO.
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Concrete proof that "common sense regulations" is a complete lie. I'm going to go out on a limb here and bet that the number of crimes committed with reloads and the number of gunsmiths who export anything is near zero.
Time to buy a flintlock and a ball mill.
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I was only partially joking...
I actually think we're a long way from a total ban on civilian ownership. I can see many, many incremental steps along the way and I have a hard time believing that the anti's will be able to enact them all in my lifetime. I think there most likely will be a day in my son's life when the U.S. implements Australian style gun control. I still don't think he'll ever be prohibited from owning a ML or buying powder and ball. If it ever got that bad, owning a flintlock and ball mill would be pointless. The penalty for getting caught with it would make it folly. You would never be able to shoot it anyway without someone hearing and calling Big Brother.
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Do you mean a milling machine for making spheres??? Why on Earth would you need that for a flintlock???
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I think he meant a ball mold.
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Actually,I have milled a number of spheres on a Bridgeport with a rotary table and a boring head.You tilt the mill head and pass the cutter tip through the axis of rotation as you rotate the table.Think,the cutter path of a fly cutter or the boring head is a circle.You can always lay a circle on a sphere.You can make a hemispherical cavity(ball mold) the same way with a square ended end mill.
But,thats a side note. There is a way of rolling the balls between two discs to reform the sprue,etc into a more true sphere. Your plan of a flintlock is sound.Cap and ball revolvers,too. Till the EPA makes lead possession a capital crime. |
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Lead is already a target as are lead balls and bullets.
Casting lead balls and bullets will be illegal in the not so distant future. Last edited by steve4102; August 18, 2016 at 09:23 AM. |
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So is this new directive on reloading and handloading via automation and systematic, contingent on weather or not this ammo is being sold or is it based on the simple fact that it is being "manufactured"??
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I know the difference between a mold for casting balls and a mixer/grinder for making black powder.
While it is possible to make black powder with nothing but the ingredients, a bowl and a stick, a ball mill is virtually required for making black powder that is consistent enough to use and have any hope at consistent velocities and accuracy. http://www.skylighter.com/fireworks/.../ball-mill.asp
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It's not about reducing violence; it's about making it harder to own guns in general, which has always been the agenda.
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Can't you just evade the regulation by reloading in a haphazard, non systematic fashion? We all know people who do that. Take my friends Stubby and threeFingers for example
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Where does the ITAR Registration Fee of 2250.00 end up: at the UN?
Frrom what I've been reading, Manufacturers of Rifle scopes, Telescopes, gun stocks, reloading equipment, brass, bullets, powder, and a very long list and a lot that has nothing to do with firearms and certainly not to export. It appears to be a tax on most American Manufacturers, not to mention onerous regulations and records keeping. No wonder everything cost so much. After posting this I see a related earlier post, that possibly this should have been tagged on to. Move it or delete or leave it mod. sorry bout that Last edited by Tinbucket; August 22, 2016 at 08:31 PM. |
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As I understand it is the manufacturing ffl fee that you pay to the federal government. That hasn't changed, just what is considered "manufacturing." It used to be a company that actually makes guns. Now its a gunsmith that can ream a chamber to change a barrel...
Still makes me mad.. Asinine rule change to "comply with an arms treaty..." One that was signed years ago but this has just now come up in the last few months of Obamas presidency. |
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There is still a lot of debate about what is manufacturing.
I know most 07 FFLs do not pay the fee. |
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Merged new thread on ITAR into the existing thread.
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