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July 14, 2013, 12:29 AM | #1 |
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NAACP against "Stand Your Ground" laws
I didn't even know who Zimmerman was before today because I don't really watch the news, but my Facebook page blew up with comments about it, so I decided to look into it. I don't really care about the verdict, but the aftermath of the verdict.
I just read a story by Fox news with a quote from the NAACP CEO and president reading, "We will pursue civil rights charges with the Department of Justice, we will continue to fight for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed." It would appear that this case could have produced a new enemy for gun rights. There is something, however, that I do not understand about his statement. Why does wanting the end to racial profiling equate to wanting the removal of Stand Your Ground laws? To me, this simply doesn't make sense. Does anyone else have opinions on that or the NAACP's president's statement as a whole? Keep it civil. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/14...#ixzz2YzjGZVCU
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July 14, 2013, 12:54 AM | #2 |
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I just found something that makes his comment even more strange. Apparently Zimmerman waived the pre-trial Stand Your Ground hearing and opted to argue self-defense instead. So, in essence, the Stand Your Ground laws were not even a crucial part of the case.
Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimm...2#.UeI5-42Tj_Y
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July 14, 2013, 07:18 AM | #3 |
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There is and will be a lot of lashing out for some time to come.
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I think the statement makes more sense if you just consider it a list:
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There has been some research, albeit inconclusive, that the statistics in shootings ruled as justified are skewed along racial lines. Expect to see more "studies" about this in the next few weeks. I've got a feeling attacking SYG laws on this basis is going to be the next gun-control push. Several posts have been deleted for off-topic discussion of the Zimmerman case in general. We're not doing that here. Stick to the parameters set by the OP.
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July 14, 2013, 10:44 AM | #6 |
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Didn't the FBI's preliminary investigation show this was neither a hate crime nor civil rights issue? So where does that put DOJ in answering the call of NAACP et al? I'm referring to: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...rman-is-racist
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My hunch: It puts DOJ in the position of "revisiting" its initial investigation, as supplemented by all of the investigative developments since it was filed.
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July 14, 2013, 11:05 AM | #8 |
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The Administration wants to push gun control. "Stand Your Ground" law was made a prominent issue in the Zimmerman case until his lawyers declined to pursue that defense. So they will use whatever gets people upset, regardless of how misinformed they may be, to get voters motivatedand active.
Traditional allies of the Administration will help just because they will cash in that favor at some later date. You'll see teacher's unions and all kinds of groups who can't even tell you what the distinction in law is come out against SYG. The other part to be aware of is that any self-defense shooting that can be politicized to push gun control is now fair game for federal pressure and media circus. |
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Perhaps if there were a substantial amount of evidence that primarily minorities were wrongfully killed by people who attempt to use the Stand Your Ground laws as justification, I could understand why the NAACP would want to come after them. That being said, I don't see hoe the NAACP could use this case for grounds to launch an attack on Stand Your Ground laws due to the fact that the pre-trial hearing for it was waived. Quote:
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I don't know why it matters what the NAACP says.
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July 14, 2013, 12:35 PM | #12 |
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Stay on topic folks. Making rude cracks - next time - infracks.
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July 14, 2013, 12:40 PM | #13 |
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After some thought and the number of deleted posts - I don't see this going anywhere and it's a trap for some members to lose it and get banned.
Thus, closed. GEM
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