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Old August 5, 2017, 10:20 PM   #51
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I thought the 6.5 creedmoor was a 30 TC case necked down.
Not sure how close that is to the 300 savage family.
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Old August 6, 2017, 09:45 AM   #52
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Voodoo, yes its based on the .30 TC.
the 22-250 isnt the best case to use because of the neck being smaller, the .243 win is more ideal as well as commercial Creedmoor brass.
There is more commercial loadings for the 6.5 Creedmoor now than at first, so brass hasnt been hard to get.
Im setting on a ton of once-fired .243 win brass, so Ive been testing it and so far its only hard on my hands, trimming and such.
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Old August 6, 2017, 06:41 PM   #53
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If my Savage 16 all weather 260 is dead, where does that leave my M70 264 win mag and FN action 6.5x55? I reload so it doesn't really matter much to me what the caliber of the day is....

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Old August 6, 2017, 08:30 PM   #54
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Have we decided if it is dead yet?

As my old minister, reverend Jefferson Oakley always said, "as long as one person remembers and revered our passed brethren, they still live".

I swear that he was speaking about the .35 whelen.
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Old August 6, 2017, 10:34 PM   #55
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It has died--but apparently a voodoo cult has succeeded in reviving it through a strange ritual called "night of the living cartridge."
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Old August 10, 2017, 10:15 PM   #56
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For a dead cartridge, the US Army is certainly showing a lot of interest in it. Wouldn't that be something if the Army decides to make the .260 it's new cartridge to replace the 5.56.
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Old August 11, 2017, 05:35 PM   #57
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Yep....Except, it's being considered as a replacement for the 7.62 NATO in the SWS, not 5.56.
About time the military got into the 21st century, at the same time I acknowledge the hurdles in needing common ammunition across NATO.


https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...-sniper-rifle/


They should ditch the 5.56 for the 6.5 Grendel as well, at least in the M4. Don't know how well it would adapt to the belt-fed M-249 though...
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Old August 12, 2017, 10:13 AM   #58
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This thread is the opposite of dead.
It would be a nice replacement for 7.62x51.
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Old August 12, 2017, 12:41 PM   #59
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The 260 still has a nitch, it can match 6.5x55 power out of a short action while the CM is a hundered fps slower with 140s. I want a 260 simply so I can do something with all this 243 brass that I have laying around, I consider 6.5s vastly superior to 6mm for medium game hunting.
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Old August 13, 2017, 09:21 AM   #60
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Yep....Except, it's being considered as a replacement for the 7.62 NATO in the SWS, not 5.56.
About time the military got into the 21st century, at the same time I acknowledge the hurdles in needing common ammunition across NATO.

They should ditch the 5.56 for the 6.5 Grendel as well, at least in the M4. Don't know how well it would adapt to the belt-fed M-249 though..


Actually, they do plan to replace the 5.56 with a new cartridge. Testing for a new cartridge is ongoing. The .260 Rem, .264USA, .277USA, 7mm UIAC and 6.5 Creedmoor seem to get the most press. The Grendel and 6.8 SPC were in the mix but you don't hear much about them now. Doubtful the Grendel would be picked due to feeding problems due to the shoulder angle on the case. Besides, they seem more interested in a larger cartridge. It may be a polymer based case as well. Trials for the new firearms are scheduled to start around 2020 with the new cartridge phased in around 2025. Will it actually happen? Who knows.

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Old August 13, 2017, 11:07 AM   #61
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The polymer cartridge would be the most practical reason to upgrade. Even though I believe 260 would be a step up in general, total costs probably outweigh all the benefits for something that's more a side-step than an upgrade. *IF* the polymer cartridges pan out IMHO they have some good benefits. Now getting the polymer technology up to par might be problematic and I'm NOT for using the US military for alpha and beta testing core weapons systems.
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Old August 13, 2017, 11:25 AM   #62
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The weight of the polymer case cartridge would be close to a brass cased 5.56. That's huge. Less weight means carry more. That reduces one of the big advantages of the 5.56 Nato cartridge over the new cartridges being tested. But lots of hurdles to making a polymer case work.
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Old August 15, 2017, 08:09 PM   #63
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Aluminum case pistol ammo is much lighter. I wonder if that might be a viable approach in the right alloy for higher pressure rifle ammo.
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Old August 16, 2017, 06:41 PM   #64
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Interesting topic, above my pay grade...
Aluminum is very strong, used for 30mm. cannon shells in the GAU-8- so it's certainly strong enough for centerfires.
My guess as to why it's not used is because it's not suitable for full auto due to its lower melting point.
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Old August 17, 2017, 12:14 AM   #65
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Set up to reload it, buy a couple hundred Lapua brass and use them until the barrel wears out.
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Old Yesterday, 12:19 PM   #66
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No the 260 is not dead and likely never will be. It is a great cartridge. It has suffered from Remington's lack of understanding of what the boys want. It was offered as a hunting cartridge and not supported very well. All the .264 lineup are great at range. The .260 benefits more from hand loading and a long action. Short action magazines are a little short for longish 140gr bullets and causes them to impede below the neck. It is easiest to either neck down from .308 or 7-08 or up from .243, so brass is much less an issue for the .260.

The Creedmoor was designed from the start as a competition cartridge and is supported well by Hornady and most firearms manufacturers. even Remington has decided to offer the Creedmoor. For most purposes the Creedmoor, .260 and the 6.5x55 are very similar. The Sweed has a larger case head and is a little harder to get ammo for. The .260 doesn't have as good of factory support for loaded ammo. The Creedmoor is well supported.

All three 6.5's will better the .308 in drop and drift at long range. Not saying the .308 is a bad round. It has fathered many offspring and done well for it's self. All those rounds are great and each offer it's own brand of magic.

it's all good.

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I'm a 6.5 Loony. Own a 6.5-06 (Interarms/Shaw), a 260 (Savage), and a Grendel (AA). I shoot 140s in the first, 129s in the second, and 123s in the third. All are 1/2" or below (.3" in the Grendel). The only issue I've had with the 260 is being short throated and I have to seat Hornady bullets deeper.
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Probably the best answer so far. I am a big promoter of reloading. I shoot 7mm and 8mm Mauser and if not for reloading I would have had a tough time shooting those guns a couple of decades ago. I even have case forming dies so I can use any of the full length family of 30-06 cases to form brass.

I reload for everything I shoot except for 25 auto and I just don't shoot it enough to justify the cost. So I just have 500 rounds of 25 on hand and that is for me a lifetime supply.
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Old Today, 12:10 AM   #69
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The 260 Rem is DEAD !!

Don't know what nitwit you heard this from but it is, to be nice, silly!

I've had a .260 Rem for over 10 years, finding ammo has NEVER been a problem. As others have said if you reload, "finding ammo"is never a problem.

Have been using the same cases from my original batch of ammo and 100 extra new cases ever since but decided I wanted a larger supply of cases...

Just last night I was going to "try to find" some additional ammo...

And, in spite of being proclaimed "dead" I find there is MORE AMMO AVAILABLE from more companies and with different bullets now than ever before!

Large variety of 139g to 142g match ammo, a good variety of 140g hunting ammo and a HUGE amount of 120g to 130g in a wide range of bullet types including Partitions, SSTs, GameKings, MatchKings and more. Wasn't looking for lighter bullets so didn't notice how much of this was available.

So many new types and weights I ended up buying about a box of each worth about $400 (plus another $560 worth of 6.5 Grendel ammo".

Even better, in spite of all the BS you hear on this site about how expensive .260 Rem ammo is (claims of $35-50 per box of 20), prices I just paid started at $22.xx and only one type cost over $30.xx. Most was between $24 and $26 per box of 20)...


The 6.5 Grendel ammo was even cheaper at just $16.xx to $22.xx per box of 20 of the excellent Hornady ammo.

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Not to be offensively argumentative, but just because Hornady says that the 6.5 creedmoor is their idea and based on the .30 TC, doesn't necessarily make it so. I could describe the 6.5 Creedmoor as an improved, 6.5-.250 savage, and not be incorrect. Matter of fact, when the cartridge was first introduced and brass was not available, gun writers used the .250 savage case to make ammunition for testing. I could also observe that the new 6mm Creedmoor is suspiciously like the 6mm International, which was a favorite of bench rest shooters in the 1950's and 1960's. And yes, I'm 71 and old enough to remember that. My dad always told me that there is not much new under the sun.
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