10/22 bolt spring upgrade

Joe-ker · February 7, 2017, 03:40 PM

So I stocked up on some cheap-

-ya cheaper ammo and I can't get through a clip without an empty hanging up and yes gun is clean. Federal non jacketed. These guys look like they have a nice kit with a lighter spring that I'm sure will take care of my problem. Just curious if anyone here has used this.

http://www.coolguyguns.com/KIDD-Bolt...ings_p_34.html

Fishbed77 · February 7, 2017, 04:20 PM

Maybe because the 10/22 feeds from magazines and not clips?

Seriously though - what is the nature of the malfunction? Failure to feed? Failure to eject? Stovepipe? A lighter recoil spring may exacerbate the problem.

Jiggy300 · February 7, 2017, 05:17 PM

I had the same experience with the hangers and I narrowed it down to the grease/wax that they use on the 22, a quick wipe off when loading the magazine helps.

Pahoo · February 7, 2017, 05:30 PM

Quote:

So I stocked up on some cheap--ya cheaper ammo

Okay, That is entirely your choice but I feel you are treating a symptom and not the cause of your problem. The last time I had this problem was when I used some Federal Bulk-Pack ammo. Besides not wanting to cycle, I had other problems. Even with a lighter spring, you might encounter other problems. Just saying !!! ......

Be Safe !!!

Joe-ker · February 7, 2017, 09:22 PM

Stove piping is the problem. Yup Pahoo this is federal bulk pack. Finally got some ammo around and feel like wastefully throwing lead through my hammer forged and can't get through 10 rds

. Gun probably hasn't ran more than a few hundred rds through it- maybe needs some breaking in. I cleaned it and lighty oiled thinking the same as Jiggy. I just figured these economy loads are probably light and a lighter spring might help?

Reread jiggys post- I never thought of the wax on the cartridges being the culprit. That makes sense as jacketed didn't seem to be an issue IIRC. I may have to wipe some down and give her a whirl. Thanks.

Evan Thomas · February 7, 2017, 10:10 PM

Before you start changing out parts on the rifle, get a few boxes of better quality ammo and find out what it likes. .22 rifles (even 10/22s) are notoriously picky eaters -- even if your rifle will run the cheap stuff after changing the bolt spring (not a given), it may still not be as accurate as it could be with different ammo. With any .22, finding out what ammo it prefers is a normal part of getting the best performance from the rifle.

As Pahoo said, if you change the spring you may just run into other problems.

Chainsaw. · February 8, 2017, 12:02 AM

You might want to try deburing the firing pin and the bolt. I had a 10-22 that would hang up for no apparent reason every now and then. I used a fine file and a medium stone to knock the edges and high spots off of each. As well I made sure any burrs in the casting on the inside of the reciver were knocked down. Followed by a polish with some mothers (not necessary)
Helped immensely.

9x19 · February 8, 2017, 12:19 PM

Polish the bottom rear edge of the bolt, and the hammer face... cocking the hammer requires more effort than over-coming the recoil spring.

Some folks will grind a radius on the bottom rear of the bolt to move the point of contact higher up the hammer face, increasing the leverage of the bolt and allowing the rifle to more easily cycle, even with std. velocity ammo.

If you're curious, check out rimfirecentral.com and look at lots of pics of that bolt mod. If you do the bolt radius, invest in a bolt buffer pin to replace the bolt stop pin the receiver. The increased rearward thrust can accelerate wear at the pin/receiver hole.

Good luck.

bfoosh006 · February 8, 2017, 12:30 PM

Just went through the same issue with Fed. 510, 710.... I replaced the extractor, extractor spring, ejector and the charging handle and spring.... Only God knows how many rounds I have fired with the OEM parts.... and the extractor was clearly wore out compared to the new one.

Even the charging handle and recoil spring were obviously wore.

Bottom line... it works perfect now... and the parts really cost very little.

Cycling The "Action" now feels much tighter.

After fixing it... it was obvious the only reason it was ejecting was because of the blow back action.... and without the extractor "holding" the spent case... the ejector wasn't able to do its job.

February 7, 2017, 03:40 PM	#1
Joe-ker Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2016 Location: North Iowa Posts: 247	10/22 bolt spring upgrade So I stocked up on some cheap--ya cheaper ammo and I can't get through a clip without an empty hanging up and yes gun is clean. Federal non jacketed. These guys look like they have a nice kit with a lighter spring that I'm sure will take care of my problem. Just curious if anyone here has used this. http://www.coolguyguns.com/KIDD-Bolt...ings_p_34.html __________________ From my cold dead hands.....

February 7, 2017, 09:22 PM	#5
Joe-ker Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2016 Location: North Iowa Posts: 247	Stove piping is the problem. Yup Pahoo this is federal bulk pack. Finally got some ammo around and feel like wastefully throwing lead through my hammer forged and can't get through 10 rds. Gun probably hasn't ran more than a few hundred rds through it- maybe needs some breaking in. I cleaned it and lighty oiled thinking the same as Jiggy. I just figured these economy loads are probably light and a lighter spring might help? Reread jiggys post- I never thought of the wax on the cartridges being the culprit. That makes sense as jacketed didn't seem to be an issue IIRC. I may have to wipe some down and give her a whirl. Thanks. __________________ From my cold dead hands..... Last edited by Joe-ker; February 7, 2017 at 09:28 PM.

February 7, 2017, 10:10 PM	#6
Evan Thomas Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 5,631	Before you start changing out parts on the rifle, get a few boxes of better quality ammo and find out what it likes. .22 rifles (even 10/22s) are notoriously picky eaters -- even if your rifle will run the cheap stuff after changing the bolt spring (not a given), it may still not be as accurate as it could be with different ammo. With any .22, finding out what ammo it prefers is a normal part of getting the best performance from the rifle. As Pahoo said, if you change the spring you may just run into other problems. __________________ Never let anything mechanical know you're in a hurry.

February 8, 2017, 12:02 AM	#7
Chainsaw. Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2015 Location: Issaquah WA. Its a dry rain. Posts: 1,774	You might want to try deburing the firing pin and the bolt. I had a 10-22 that would hang up for no apparent reason every now and then. I used a fine file and a medium stone to knock the edges and high spots off of each. As well I made sure any burrs in the casting on the inside of the reciver were knocked down. Followed by a polish with some mothers (not necessary) Helped immensely. __________________ Just shoot the damn thing.

February 8, 2017, 12:19 PM	#8
9x19 Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 1998 Location: Sherman, TX USA Posts: 3,750	Polish the bottom rear edge of the bolt, and the hammer face... cocking the hammer requires more effort than over-coming the recoil spring. Some folks will grind a radius on the bottom rear of the bolt to move the point of contact higher up the hammer face, increasing the leverage of the bolt and allowing the rifle to more easily cycle, even with std. velocity ammo. If you're curious, check out rimfirecentral.com and look at lots of pics of that bolt mod. If you do the bolt radius, invest in a bolt buffer pin to replace the bolt stop pin the receiver. The increased rearward thrust can accelerate wear at the pin/receiver hole. Good luck. __________________ Make mine lean, mean, and 9x19!

February 7, 2017, 04:20 PM	#2
Fishbed77 Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2010 Posts: 4,862	Maybe because the 10/22 feeds from magazines and not clips? Seriously though - what is the nature of the malfunction? Failure to feed? Failure to eject? Stovepipe? A lighter recoil spring may exacerbate the problem.

February 7, 2017, 05:17 PM	#3
Jiggy300 Member Join Date: January 25, 2017 Location: Northern Colorado Posts: 46	I had the same experience with the hangers and I narrowed it down to the grease/wax that they use on the 22, a quick wipe off when loading the magazine helps.

February 8, 2017, 12:30 PM	#9
bfoosh006 Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2009 Posts: 1,089	Just went through the same issue with Fed. 510, 710.... I replaced the extractor, extractor spring, ejector and the charging handle and spring.... Only God knows how many rounds I have fired with the OEM parts.... and the extractor was clearly wore out compared to the new one. Even the charging handle and recoil spring were obviously wore. Bottom line... it works perfect now... and the parts really cost very little. Cycling The "Action" now feels much tighter. After fixing it... it was obvious the only reason it was ejecting was because of the blow back action.... and without the extractor "holding" the spent case... the ejector wasn't able to do its job.