Cannon box research with pics

BoogieMan · May 9, 2016, 06:13 AM

I would like to know what this box was is. I bought it at a shop not farm from the Millville Airport (First defensive airport) a couple days ago. I thought that the burning bomb imprint meant that it was from Springfield Armory. Top says "smokeless powder for cannon". Would this have held the powder charge for a cannon? Any info would be appreciated. Also any recomendations on where to find info on artifacts like this.
Can the wood be brought back without ruining the writing? Doesnt need to be perfect. I would like to be able to read the rest of the writing. Or maybe find out what it should say.

Hawg · May 9, 2016, 08:13 AM

The M 109 is a self propelled 155 MM howitzer. It uses a separate powder charge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEHa2izgkQw

BoogieMan · May 9, 2016, 11:36 AM

This says M109190. I would say that its pre-Vietnam era or older. Was the powered M109 Howitzer around at that time? Is the Flaming Bomb an arsenal mark?

lamarw · May 9, 2016, 01:20 PM

Could be the Ordinance Corps vs. Arsenal??? May want to google to compare the two in case there is any difference.

Not sure which artillery piece the military used for ceremonial pieces.

sgms · May 9, 2016, 03:42 PM

Any cannon can be used for salutes, but in Washington DC the 3rd infantry salute gun platoon uses WW2 issue M5 75 m/m Anti tank gun mounted on M6 carriages firing a 75 m/m blank with a 1 1/2 pound powder charge. (based on information provided by a past member of the old guard)

Hawg · May 9, 2016, 04:41 PM

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This says M109190. I would say that its pre-Vietnam era or older. Was the powered M109 Howitzer around at that time? Is the Flaming Bomb an arsenal mark?

It's been around since the early 60's. The flaming bomb is U.S. army ordnance.

mapsjanhere · May 9, 2016, 04:41 PM

The description looks like WWII Ordnance Corps markings, getting a picture of the whole box would help.

BoogieMan · May 10, 2016, 06:46 AM

Here is a link to another identical box in a little better condition. They have good pictures from many angles.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Smok...0AAOSwP~tW6JhR
FYI- I paid 10% of the asking price locally.

michaeldarnold · May 11, 2016, 04:08 PM

Box looks to be made of pine. It's unlikely you'll be able to restore any of the original color to the wood without destroying the writing on top. If it was me, I'd leave the box in as is condition and try do research based off what you already know.

Pine is a very unforgiving wood and that paint will disappear before the discoloration lightens up.

Mike

May 9, 2016, 06:13 AM	#1
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	Cannon box research with pics I would like to know what this box was is. I bought it at a shop not farm from the Millville Airport (First defensive airport) a couple days ago. I thought that the burning bomb imprint meant that it was from Springfield Armory. Top says "smokeless powder for cannon". Would this have held the powder charge for a cannon? Any info would be appreciated. Also any recomendations on where to find info on artifacts like this. Can the wood be brought back without ruining the writing? Doesnt need to be perfect. I would like to be able to read the rest of the writing. Or maybe find out what it should say. __________________ Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it. Milton Freidman "If you find yourself in a fair fight,,, Your tactics suck"- Unknown

May 9, 2016, 11:36 AM	#3
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	This says M109190. I would say that its pre-Vietnam era or older. Was the powered M109 Howitzer around at that time? Is the Flaming Bomb an arsenal mark? __________________ Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it. Milton Freidman "If you find yourself in a fair fight,,, Your tactics suck"- Unknown

May 9, 2016, 04:41 PM	#7
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,832	The description looks like WWII Ordnance Corps markings, getting a picture of the whole box would help. __________________ I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying.

May 10, 2016, 06:46 AM	#8
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	Here is a link to another identical box in a little better condition. They have good pictures from many angles. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Smok...0AAOSwP~tW6JhR FYI- I paid 10% of the asking price locally. __________________ Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it. Milton Freidman "If you find yourself in a fair fight,,, Your tactics suck"- Unknown

May 9, 2016, 08:13 AM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	The M 109 is a self propelled 155 MM howitzer. It uses a separate powder charge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEHa2izgkQw

May 9, 2016, 01:20 PM	#4
lamarw Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2010 Location: Lake Martin, AL Posts: 3,311	Could be the Ordinance Corps vs. Arsenal??? May want to google to compare the two in case there is any difference. Not sure which artillery piece the military used for ceremonial pieces.

May 9, 2016, 03:42 PM	#5
sgms Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2010 Location: Arizona or Ohio depending Posts: 1,021	Any cannon can be used for salutes, but in Washington DC the 3rd infantry salute gun platoon uses WW2 issue M5 75 m/m Anti tank gun mounted on M6 carriages firing a 75 m/m blank with a 1 1/2 pound powder charge. (based on information provided by a past member of the old guard)

May 11, 2016, 04:08 PM	#9
michaeldarnold Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2016 Location: St. Louis Suburbs Posts: 137	Box looks to be made of pine. It's unlikely you'll be able to restore any of the original color to the wood without destroying the writing on top. If it was me, I'd leave the box in as is condition and try do research based off what you already know. Pine is a very unforgiving wood and that paint will disappear before the discoloration lightens up. Mike