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The "right " way is simple, easy, and almost universally overlooked. Use ANOTHER CARTRIGE to put the round beyond the loading gate, NOT you fingers!! Quote:
The Marlin is a SIDE eject. It has a solid top.
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Yes, most of my earlier comments are connected in some fashion to human error. Stuff happens. Stupid stuff happens. I've done some stupid things, and will likely do some more before I'm done. Sometimes stupid things and it is not your fault, but you are still stuck with the consequences.
A detachable magazine system of any kind is a liability of sorts. Surley all have seen repeating firearms for sale here and there "w/ no magazine". It happens. It takes only a bit of creativity to create a scenario where a tube mag gets separated from its rifle, then lost or damaged. For total reliability, especially when the lever rifle was cutting edge, an integral mag eliminates the possibility of human error, basically, the design regards the mag defeats stupidity. I believe Browning/Marlin saw this and designed accordingly. The sliding tube faded from the scene on serious rifles, till the "New Henry" resurrected the idea. |
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"In 1866, employee Nelson King's new improved patent remedied flaws in the Henry rifle by incorporating a loading gate on the side of the frame and integrating a round sealed magazine which was covered by a fore stock. The first Winchester rifle was the Model 1866, the Yellow Boy". |
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If I want a period correct Henry rifle that loads from the tube then tube loading is fine. If I"m buying a reproduction of a Marlin or Winchester that were originally side loading gate models then the reproductions should be of the correct style. I have no use for modern lever action designs. The Henry's, all of them, are neither fish nor fowl. Not saying they aren't good guns, but I they are over priced for what you get and none are true to the traditional lever action styling. If I want a modern rifle design I'll look else where. If I want a 19th century style lever action rifle Marlin and Winchester combined to produce over 14 million of them. Lots of good used ones out there.
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Rossi and Chiappa make 92 clones and Uberti makes 66 and 73 clones plus Winchester(Miroku) makes 92's and 73's but they have safeties on them which besides the price would be a deal breaker for me. Chiappa and Rossi have safeties but you can find older guns that don't.
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I have a few lever actions... the one with the least amount of use is my Glenfield Model 30. Nice gun, but can’t hunt with rifles in NJ. Was a present from my dad, but as a design, I do like loading from the gate. A lot easier.
The other two are a Century PW87 and a Uberti 1860 Henry (steel frame, in .45 Colt). The 1887/1901 clone is actually pretty fun to shoot... but loading 12 Gauge shells through the top is not extremely easy to do. Kind of need to have a system. But once you load up the tube, one on the lifter, and one for the chamber is a pretty unique design... especially for the late 1800s. The Uberti is a very nice rifle, and from everything I’ve seen, a better rifle than the Henry reproduction. The tube is ok to load, but it isn’t something too easy to top off. What I’d love to do is find a gunsmith to convert it to a transitional rifle... take the tab off the follower, weld the front end so it doesn’t rotate, and cut in a loading gate. Taylors did a run of them, once. I like uncommon stuff like that, which is why I went steel frame in the first place. |
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A Marlin 336 has never failed me. If I keep it clean, my Henry .22 has been good to me since I was like 7. The one time I had an issue was the tube rolling off a table and the plastic follower broke. Contacted them, told them about it, they asked my shipping info so they could mail me a new tube with thicker follower at no charge. So one tube related failure after almost 20 years of steady use with their cheapest rifle, it was an easy fix, I was pleased with their customer service. I could of still used it by not letting it completely empty the tube, after that there we wouldn't be enough pressure to engage them or jam. So definitely not something catastrophic.
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Exactly what the OP asked for in his first post. Quote:
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Ratshooter, got it, thanks. All I was sure of was that the multitude of Brownings lever rifles as produced by Winchester had the gate.
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I have no problem topping off my "tube loaders" when not actually firing them, I cannot think of a firearm you couldn't top off, although it gets pretty interesting trying to top 'em off while firing.
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I have a Marlin 32 mag cowboy and it uses the tube loading system and for me its is just a non issue. It loads how it loads and its not a problem. And it IS fast to unload. The solid receiver just looks like a bigger version of the Marlin 39A I own that loads through the tube. |
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Gun is out of action at that point... once you toss in a round through the gate, gun is ready to fire. If it is a twist tube, you need to toss them in and maneuver the gun so they don’t fall out, and know how many you need (latter is in both designs). Install tube and lock. If it is a Henry design, pull the follower up, rotate housing, then load. Same as the other tube, then have to rotate it closed, and slow the follower down. |
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