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August 30, 2012, 12:52 AM | #27 |
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I always ask if I can dry fire.
Only way to find out about the feel of the trigger. Not all gun shops will let you dry fire though. |
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Begs the question: how many forum members have witnessed / experienced an accidental firing of a weapon, either as an owner/employee of a gun shop or as a bystander?
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I dry fire... because it will NEVER ruin a gun despite claims to the otherwise and you will have to check the trigger pull and feel. I ask first, then take out the magazine and rack the slide three times.
Also, if I'm serious, I ask them if I can take it apart and see if there's any rust inside the slide and check the inside of the barrel for any damage. It's humid down here and gun stores don't always take the best care of their guns. You can also look down the magwell for scuffing to see if the gun is really "new" because you'll scrape the finish off metal (or scratch plastic) when you throw a magazine in there a few dozen times. |
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My statement centered around how incompetent they can be. I won't look down at a Mcdonalds employee, but on the other hand, I expect a milkshake and a med fry if I order a milkshake and a med fry - in other words, whatever your job is, you should be able to do it, and do it well. No one is perfect on the other hand. When I go to gunshops, I usually meet someone (store owner, employee, etc) that says something thats either: flat out wrong (the Italians made Lugers) in an effort to sell a gun they have in stock, something thats baseless "people say a 45 is more accurate than a 9mm" or they tell me which gun is a good collectible "this woodsman (80%, wrong grips and mag) is a great investment" when I usually know more than they about the guns that I like. All of these things annoy me esp if I try to correct the person, and they argue. On occassion they assume that I am wrong because I am often younger than that person which is a logical fallacy / major assumption. Its just a pet peeve of mine. I know in 5 min if someone took the time to read and learn the things that I have read and learned, or if they are well experienced about a given gun related subject. I can tell when someone doesn't know or is trying just to make a sale. The other thing that adds to this frustration of mine is that when I sell a gun, and I have sold a fair amount, I tell the truth about the gun and if I make a conjecture, I can support it. I don't need to be a "used car salesman" to sell the guns that I have sold because I avoid the crap that gun shops occasionally deal in. Its very true that "a good gun sells itself" and that no BS needs to be done. Sometimes they didn't know themselves that they bought a mediocre or less than mediocre gun, but IMO they should know more often than I observe that they do. Of course there are gun shops that know what they're doing, and are honest, with fair opinions of their inventory, but more often, I have not observed that in my experience.
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Whether dry firing will hurt a gun or not is completely irrelevant. It's simply rude to dry fire another person's gun without first getting permission. It's also rude to start racking the slide or working the action of any gun in a store if you really aren't considering buying it. It's like asking to test drive a new car just so you can go on a little joy ride and say you drove the latest model Corvette.
I can guaranty you that most people don't want anyone dry firing their guns. Just ask yourself: Would it bother you if a friend picked up your gun and started dry firing it without asking your permission? |
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When using their bullseye 1911's, I have been told by multiple NAVSEA armorers not to rack the slide on an empty chamber or to dry fire on an empty...because dropping the hammer on an empty chamber and releasing the slide on an empty chamber can cause hammer bounce back which will damage the delicate sear engagment surface sooner than later.
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Begs the question: how many forum members have witnessed / experienced an accidental firing of a weapon, either as an owner/employee of a gun shop or as a bystander?
Not a firearm,but once in a very crowed store they were checking a customers draw lenth on his bow with a arrow marked in inches. He had it at full draw and released itIt bounced around the store nearly missing several people including me and my young son. |
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Just kidding. I know what you meant. I'm from the South where nearly is synonamous with almost. We would have said "barely missing" or "nearly hitting". It just sounded funny to me.
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Instruct the dolt behind the counter in what ways you want him to handle the gun. .........takes one to know one. Quote: It costs nothing to show a bit of kindness and respect to someone who is working in, what can be, a dangerous environment. This. The folks behind the counter at my LGS are the owners. Or their kids who have been there since they were old enough to walk. The shop has been in existence for over 100 years. These folks know guns inside and out. Still, there's always those that walk in and instantly talk down to them and try to impress them and everyone else in the store with their knowledge. You know the one's....they think they could've won the west. They generally walk in with their chest stuck out and walk out with their tail between their legs. Still, even tho they don't show respect to the owners, the owners still show respect to the braggarts. Shows a lot about integrity. [Quote] There are no "dolts" working behind the counters of the gun stores I shop at. However, I have seen more than a couple doltish customers. A little bit of civility goes a long way in my experience.
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OP here, and to just make clear, in case my original post did not, I always ask if it is ok to dry fire. I just assume almost everything else, working action etc etc, is ok to do.
On a side note, one time while in a LGS I asked about a Browning Hi Power, but I accidentally called it a Hi Point. The owner acted as if I was no good and refused to acknowledge me anymore after that. I have not been to that store since. |
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In my glove compartment,,,
In my glove compartment,,,
Is a baggie with a few snap caps in it. I agree with Skans in that Quote:
I would always ask if I can load some snap caps to check the trigger. If they then say no,,, I assume there is something they are hiding,,, I am probably overboard in that assumption but I won't buy a gun from them. Gun shop etiquette is not standardized,,, I just try and be polite and ask for permission. If they won't give it,,, I won't give them my money. Aarond .
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Freebird75: Hi Power and Hi Point are vastly different, but I too have on occasion misstated the name of one or the other because the names are similar, sort of. I think if the gun store owner made such an issue of calling the Hi Power a Hi Point I wouldn't go there again either.
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The reason that I asked this question is that while I am fairly certain that such accidents are relatively rare, they do happen- an employee may be distracted or having an "off" day, some weird circumstance results in the event- and because of that, I've always wondered why gun stores don't regularly use a "clearance barrel" (55-gallon drum filled with sand and set at an appropriate angle) set off to the side of the counter where customers can dry-fire their prospective purchase to their heart's content. I am not sure if it'd be a hindrance to business or not, the cost is negligible (about $100 to make a really nice one painted nice'n pretty) afterall, and it'd go a long way towards guaranteeing the customers' safety while mitigating your liability as a shop owner. Am I "off base" here, T?
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When I go into the shops, I ask to not only see the guns, but I also ask about holsters so I can try out my quick draw in front of the staff.
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Occasionally the gun shops get talked down to because the customer is a jerk, or because the gunshop makes a stupid mistake. It happens all the time. I'm not saying talking down to anyone to is right though. I'm not sure what you mean here but for the most part, the knowledgeable people don't try to impress others. Its people who are uncomfortable with who they are who only want to impress people that act like that. I actually do know what I'm talking about regarding some guns, and I don't try to impress anyone because thats not the goal. Quote:
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Case in point; A young male clerk upon handing me a handgun, directed me to keep the muzzle pointed behind the counter. I replied the he was behind the counter and that was not a safe direction. He said that was the store policy. I asked him what was above the ceiling and he replied, the roof, I guess. Still didn't get it. ... At our station, during our hunter safety classes, I ask the students to define the safe direction at that time. Most are pretty good at it. ... Be Safe !!!
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Yeah, your response gets at what I have been wondering about. Fr'instance, lots of folks point the gun they are dry-firing at the floor. If they happen to pop one off, it may not strike someone directly, but it may fragment upon hitting a hard surface (like a concrete floor), the pieces going on to strike and possibly injure nearby people. I s'pose my question is more of a question to how desirable such options are, especially in light of the option of using a clearance barrel.
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Have never feigned ignorance myself, sometimes I just don't do enough research. This is only usually a problem for me at shows, where you can do all the research under the sun on Guns A - X, but maybe didn't quite make it to the chapter on Y and that is what you found. The LGS's I frequent tend to be very helpful.
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