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February 7, 2014, 01:26 PM | #26 |
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Stillhunter...........if you do a little research on the web, as I did before I bought my Ruger American .308, it's a common line of thinking that Ruger did pull a lot of aspects together from various rifles and threw them together to make the American.
However, with that being said, I chose the American over many other rifles that I looked at. |
February 7, 2014, 02:17 PM | #27 |
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I thought we discussing common rim and head diameter !
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February 7, 2014, 09:37 PM | #28 |
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Just seems odd to me, that all of a sudden these manufacturer,s can produce a rifle hundreds of dollars cheaper than they did before,in the same factory.
Ruger American $345-$375 Ruger Hawkeye $600-$675 Not picking on Ruger,just an example. Wish someone would produce propane and gasoline the same way |
February 7, 2014, 09:47 PM | #29 |
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They have simplified the machining. Think about the amount of machine work that goes into an American action VS a Mauser action. Price of stock. Price of finish.
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February 8, 2014, 12:37 PM | #30 |
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In answer to a post above, cheap doesn't necessarily mean disposable. Especially when it's all one can afford. And plastic stocks may not be "pretty" but that's not a concern to me, function is, and the "cheapies" function just fine, especially the Ruger's and the Savages. And the plastic stocks are generally lighter, which serves a real purpose if you are carrying them in the field all day. As long as it works reliably and I can afford it, then I'll take it.
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February 8, 2014, 08:09 PM | #32 |
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I just bought another one of those "Scary" Ventures a couple hours ago. $299 plus tax is hard to pass up on a guaranteed sub-moa rifle.
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February 11, 2014, 07:49 PM | #33 |
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I paid $399 for my Venture last fall. It shot moa with American Whitetail ammo and just over half an inch with my handloads. Looked at the Ruger American and others but chose the Venture. Glad I did. Its a very nice shooter. The Venture and Icon bolt are exactly the same you just don't get a bolt disassembly tool with the venture. Don't need one though. I guess there is something to the 5R rifling because its been a shooter right out the box. I don't really care who copied who Im glad that when I decided to buy an inexpensive but quality rifle there were plenty to choose from.
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February 11, 2014, 09:28 PM | #34 |
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I very rarely disassemble bolts. Carb cleaner gets shot through them pretty often though. Now you have me wanting to take my bolt apart just for the fun of it. To me, the quality of the Venture and the American are not even comparable. The stock on the American is junk. The stock on the Venture is actually a very good stock. They are offering the Venture in an impressive number of chamberings now. I guess the barreled actions on the two are comparable, but the stocks are light years apart. My .270WSM venture was a tack driver out of the box. My American is a tack driver, but I had to do a lot of work on it to make it shoot.
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February 18, 2014, 08:28 AM | #35 |
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Was reading the marketing blurb by Remington on their 783 rifle. They borrowed quite a few ideas from their competitors and are damn proud of it. Got me to thinking how many economy rifles out there have triggers that look like a savage accutrigger.
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February 19, 2014, 03:27 PM | #38 |
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I am not all too fired up crazy about wood stocks. I have had too many problems with them over the years. Laminate is fine, but I am no fan of walnut.
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February 20, 2014, 08:45 AM | #39 |
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Reynolds357,
Here's to hoping Hogue comes up with a left handed synthetic stock for a Ruger Hawkeye Long action. |
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I don't know if Ruger is copying others bolt action design or not? But I do know they make the best revolvers I have ever put my hands on. I have an older super Redhawk I would never part with. But I have not purchased any newer Ruger firearms, although I'm sure their quality has gone down along with the rest of them? I would kinda like to get my hands on one of the TC compass or Venture rifles. Been hearing good things about them. I'm a bit of a stickler for accuracy though. I don't care if it's a deer rifle or not I expect groups well under an inch with good hand loads. So far Savage axis, Mossberg Patriot, and some Remington's that I sold years ago have not let me down. I took a chance on a weatherby vanguard S2 Sporter in 7mm08 and it shoots 2" groups at best and collects copper like the rifling was cut with a hacksaw. Not sure I'm ready to take a chance on a TC compass or not? Any of you guys own one and get better than 1" groups with it?
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Shawn2571---Welcome to the forum. Lots of good folk and good information here. I hope you stick around and add to the fun. HOWEVER, of your first four posts you resurrected threads that were 9, 7 and 3 years old. Nothing wrong with this but feel free to start new threads. Good luck.
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Arrgh. Just arrgh.
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