October 11, 2005, 08:58 PM | #1 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: April 15, 2005
Location: Republic of Texas
Posts: 1,403
|
How Cool is this?
Quote:
__________________
‘‘Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.’’ ~ Mahatma Ghandi, "Gandhi, An Autobiography", page 446 ‘‘The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.’’ ~ Patrick Henry |
|
October 11, 2005, 10:40 PM | #2 |
Senior Member
Join Date: June 16, 2005
Location: AZ
Posts: 3,113
|
I guess. But this is so old and it's been posted dozens of times on all the forums I visit.
|
October 11, 2005, 11:12 PM | #3 |
Member
Join Date: May 19, 2005
Location: Central Minnesota
Posts: 39
|
Butch50, I'm comparitively new here and I've never seen this posting before. Thanks.
|
October 11, 2005, 11:17 PM | #4 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 4, 2005
Posts: 298
|
meh, i disagree with most of what he says. I feel he's trying far too hard to group everything into the fewest nujmber of groups possible.
|
October 12, 2005, 08:00 AM | #5 |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 26, 2005
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 6,141
|
You left out us goats.
__________________
Shoot low, sheriff. They're riding Shetlands! Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag, and return us to our own beloved homes! Buy War Bonds. |
October 12, 2005, 08:36 AM | #6 |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 7, 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 101
|
Nice Post, I like it. Makes some good analogies.
|
October 12, 2005, 05:25 PM | #7 |
Junior member
Join Date: October 10, 2005
Location: WA
Posts: 19
|
His classification of the sheep as unwilling to acknowledge or accept danger is both presumptuous and seriously over generalizing. A good way to put himself on a pedestal, but otherwise a bad analogy.
I don't want to be a wet blanket, it's still entertaining and well written and he does have some good points. |
October 12, 2005, 08:02 PM | #8 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 28, 2005
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 292
|
Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
Col. Grossman has written several books; On Combat which was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, On Killing, and Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill. Might make interesting reading prior to passing any judgment on him.
He also wrote the foreword to Terror at Beslan which should be required reading for anyone with children in school. John Charlotte, NC |
October 12, 2005, 08:23 PM | #9 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 6, 2002
Location: North Louisiana
Posts: 2,800
|
Then there's us crocodiles.
__________________
Xavier's Blog |
October 12, 2005, 08:26 PM | #10 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: June 15, 2002
Location: Florida
Posts: 937
|
Quote:
__________________
"Whats the first aid procedure for consumption of coolant?" |
|
October 13, 2005, 11:53 AM | #11 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 8, 2001
Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX
Posts: 12,717
|
Me, I am primarily a virus with a high mutation rate and feed on sheep, wolves, sheep dogs, goat, crocs, turtles, and everything else as the opportunity presents itself.
I live by the mantra of "Adapt, mutate, migrate, or die." I strive very hard to avoid the the last choice.
__________________
"If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange |
October 13, 2005, 05:57 PM | #12 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 22, 2005
Location: Derry, NH
Posts: 219
|
Never seen that before, but I like it.
Woof- Woof!
__________________
Firefighter/EMT - Currently teamed on Engine 1... I always get to play with my Knob! "Good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from poor judgement" - Unknown. "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." - Robert A. Heinlein |
October 13, 2005, 07:12 PM | #13 |
Senior Member
Join Date: April 15, 2005
Location: Republic of Texas
Posts: 1,403
|
I think it is a fine piece of writing.
__________________
‘‘Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.’’ ~ Mahatma Ghandi, "Gandhi, An Autobiography", page 446 ‘‘The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.’’ ~ Patrick Henry |
October 14, 2005, 08:26 AM | #14 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 4, 2005
Posts: 298
|
Quote:
|
|
October 14, 2005, 08:27 PM | #15 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 8, 2001
Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX
Posts: 12,717
|
I've read two of his books. Grossman has some informative and helpful things to say, but that does not make everything he says correct.
Take the classification here, sheep, wolves, sheepdogs. This is a grossly over simplified classification of human behavior that is really pretty pathetic. In other terms, there would be victims, villans, and heroes. All of us CCW folks would like to think we are sheepdog heroes, like butch50 mentions, but that is hardly the case. What happens to CCW people when they don't have guns? According to several posters on this forum and The High Road, if they don't have a gun, they are defenseless. So those guys must be the part time sheepdogs and part time sheep? No, they are just sheep who are sometimes armed, but arming them doesn't make them sheepdogs. In fact, there are a lot of sheep that are armed. They are armed because they are scared. They have no intent to help others and no misgivings about not helping others. Their goal is to remain alive. Is that bad? Not really. Most didn't buy guns to be sheepdogs. They bought guns to stay alive. If they wanted to be sheepdogs, they would be cops. Both cops and sheepdogs are supposed to protect the herd and they do so because it is their jobs, not because they look like a sheep and wonder around with the crowd of sheep. It is what they do for a living. Both are to protect the sheep and fight to keep the sheep safe. Few of us want to be cops, but a lot of us think we are sheepdogs.
__________________
"If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange |
October 16, 2005, 01:33 PM | #16 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 30, 2000
Location: Western SC
Posts: 663
|
00S, I wholeheartedly agree with what you've pointed out. Being a guardian, a sheepdog, means being ready regardless armament. Having a gun makes you no more of a shooter than having a piano makes you a pianist, and all too many gun owners forget that.
Working in the security field (armed/armored transport) for the last six years, I would say that 95%+ of the armed "professionals" I have encountered (incl. police) don't practice with their weapons any more than they have to, and certainly don't practice at empty-hand techniques or workout in a gym. Are they going to be classified as sheepdogs? Are they really going to be of any help when the bad day comes? While the above quote is rather poetic and serves to somewhat glorify those that try to be dogs of war, the truth is something altogether different.
__________________
When Reason Fails..... |
October 16, 2005, 02:38 PM | #17 |
Senior Member
Join Date: June 15, 2002
Location: Florida
Posts: 937
|
DNS and Vaughn point out my sentiments exactly.
__________________
"Whats the first aid procedure for consumption of coolant?" |
|
|