Is there such a thing as a F/A grenade launcher? - Page 3

Lucky 7 · September 6, 2005, 09:08 AM

We go to fire one in School of Infantry and I gotta say its flippin sweet!
Realistical youll only get about 30 to 60 rounds a minute outta the thing. Oh and be careful, cock the dual charging handle wrong and oopps! off goes a thumb!
Semper Fi!
-L7

Caeser22 · December 16, 2005, 01:10 PM

m198 you got screwed we had 88 round belts

for our mk19s over in the sandbox. convoys suck i had the same duty over there and also would 've rather been humping them 155s in my paladin. hooah and oorah to the king of battle.

The British Soldier · December 16, 2005, 04:43 PM

Mk.19 is a fantastis weapon and the concept is brilliant too, which is probably why it has been heavily copied. We Brits have them mounted on the M3 tripod or on the back of the Land Rover patrol vehicle. On a job in Africa we were engaging at 1500metres with the Mk.19s; it was a wierd experience shooting bursts of those 40mm grenades. You could fire them, get off the vehicle and make a cup of tea, enjoy a few sandwiches, go out for a couple of beers and be back just in time to see them all exploding a mile away!

The effect at the distant end was fantastic!

The only place we really didn't like them was in Norway, because they don't explode in the snow!

Caeser22 · December 21, 2005, 02:25 PM

b4 i went over to the sandbox. the qualification range went all the way out to 2100 meters or so

. i couldn't hit anything past 1700 meters though

but i still qualified expert

DocFox · December 23, 2005, 11:05 AM

Why did you guys have to bring up the MK19?.... Now there are tears in my eyes as I remember the joys of it... snnniiifff....At least I have the memories

Deadman · December 27, 2005, 07:04 PM

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/crewserved/mg_35.asp

Webpage for the Chinese agl.

avball · December 29, 2005, 03:49 PM

YMMV, but I was chilling by the armory one day talking to a buddy (armorer) about this very thing, and he didn't think it would chamber - he tried it, and it did not. Pretty decent little no brainer safety mechanism there, just make the round such that it won't chamber properly in something that might kB on you :P

Of course, I wouldn't try to fire one if it did fit, but maybe guys will feel a little better knowing that the wrong round shouldn't be able to chamber into a 203.

grndpndr · February 5, 2006, 04:36 PM

Cypherninja,that would be a Hedp round,notice the copper funnel shaped liner.
An old TM i have claims the MK19 HEDP round will penetrate 2 in of armor!?

CypherNinja · February 5, 2006, 09:47 PM

I knew it was a shaped charge (hard to miss that). I just wasn't sure if it was for a MK19 or not.

grndpndr · February 7, 2006, 04:11 PM

My apologys for stating the obvious,have i stumbled onto one of those sites that delight in flaming new members?
Quote: "I dunno what round it is(if its even a US round)" indicates ignorance,I was trying to be helpful,my apologys for attempting to answer what was to me apparently a question.
Cartridge 40mm HEDP M433; OD aluminum skirt w/steel cup attached white markings and gold ogive

Lord_Nikon · February 7, 2006, 11:55 PM

grndpndr, you didn't really identify the round, you just pointed out the general typ. That's like someone posting pictures of a handgun asking for help identifying the make and model, and you respond, "Oh, it's a revolver!"

CypherNinja · February 8, 2006, 12:09 AM

Oh dude, sorry. I didn't mean it like that.

Explosives that chamber in a full-auto are all pretty sweet.

grndpndr · February 8, 2006, 08:28 AM

Being new her i dont want to get off on the wrong foot so if i offended my apologys.From whaty i could gather from the net it doesnt appear to be US
either so that leaves chinese /russian and i would have no idea which.I also thought US had a type u\of spring steel coil arrangement around the grenade to provide shrapnel.I am not sure what caliber the russ is,35mm? Any way i am curious now and intend to search to see if i can find theanswer,the fuze may be the answer.Again in

didnt intend to offend it was late and perhaps I took it the wrong way

Chaingunner · March 2, 2006, 01:41 PM

So I should PROBABLY have read to the end of the thread before replying to a post at the beginning of it, but I'm kinda pressed for time so I'll get right to it:

MK19 rounds are only for the Mk19. Imagine my chain of command's surprise when they decided to requisition some 40mm from the 13th MEU while we were on deployment, thinking that they would surprise the armory staff by giving us 40mm ammo to fire out of our ancient M79s, only to have me tell them "mk19 ammo can't be used in the M79. The rounds are linked and the cases are a different length, anyway."

They weren't happy.

5whiskey · March 20, 2006, 10:57 PM

Don't know about the length and weight, I just know it's too heavy for anything except for using on a gun-truck.

The min arming distance is 17 meters, but in all practicallity, it's more like 25. I saw an ND into hesco barrier 22 meters away and it didn't blow. It works off of a centrifugal fuse that requires 3 rotations, I think. DP is 2" of steel, and DP is about all the ammo you get anyway, unless they make orange death for it. I know they make orange death for 203's, I'm not sure about 19's.

The only package I've seen rounds come in is an ammo can with 36 rounds, but in invasion of fallujah everyone rigged a can on the side of the turret so they could have two cans linked together (linking grenades is a pain in the butt).

Very fun weapon. Nothing says "I hate you and hope you die" quite like a GMG, though the ma duece with APITS come close. Excellent for indirect fire, but I wouldn't call in the same format as other supporting arms. You still need an FO with some good sense, most gunners I know of aren't exactly squad leaders or platoon seargents. Point being they probably aren't familiar with how an FDC works. If the gunner can't get eyes on, the FO needs to know the gunners pos so they can relay correction in relation to the gunners pos and not the FO's.

Alright, good 'nough for now.

Chaingunner · March 26, 2006, 09:44 PM

Wheeler0351 says
Very fun weapon. Nothing says "I hate you and hope you die" quite like a GMG, though the ma duece with APITS come close.

...except for the Mk38Mod1 25mm machine gun system loaded with SAPHEI-T... yes, that DOES, in fact, stand for Semi Armor Piercing High Explosive Incendiary-Tracer.

September 6, 2005, 09:08 AM	#51
Lucky 7 Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2002 Posts: 454	We go to fire one in School of Infantry and I gotta say its flippin sweet! Realistical youll only get about 30 to 60 rounds a minute outta the thing. Oh and be careful, cock the dual charging handle wrong and oopps! off goes a thumb! Semper Fi! -L7 __________________ Signature Space For Rent. SOLD! "Just relax. Breath normally. All you should see is the front sight post. Ignore the the target. Wait for the pause between breaths and when you feel good about it...ease the trigger back." -PMI Sgt. Hopkins, USMC

December 16, 2005, 01:10 PM	#52
Caeser22 Member Join Date: December 16, 2005 Posts: 20	m198 you got screwed we had 88 round belts for our mk19s over in the sandbox. convoys suck i had the same duty over there and also would 've rather been humping them 155s in my paladin. hooah and oorah to the king of battle. __________________ Springfield XD .40 CZ 100 .40

December 16, 2005, 04:43 PM	#53
The British Soldier Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2005 Location: England...that green and pleasasnt land. Posts: 295	Mk.19 is a fantastis weapon and the concept is brilliant too, which is probably why it has been heavily copied. We Brits have them mounted on the M3 tripod or on the back of the Land Rover patrol vehicle. On a job in Africa we were engaging at 1500metres with the Mk.19s; it was a wierd experience shooting bursts of those 40mm grenades. You could fire them, get off the vehicle and make a cup of tea, enjoy a few sandwiches, go out for a couple of beers and be back just in time to see them all exploding a mile away! The effect at the distant end was fantastic! The only place we really didn't like them was in Norway, because they don't explode in the snow! __________________ Mike When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains And the women come out to cut up what remains Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling.

December 21, 2005, 02:25 PM	#54
Caeser22 Member Join Date: December 16, 2005 Posts: 20	b4 i went over to the sandbox. the qualification range went all the way out to 2100 meters or so . i couldn't hit anything past 1700 meters though but i still qualified expert __________________ Springfield XD .40 CZ 100 .40

December 27, 2005, 07:04 PM	#56
Deadman Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2000 Location: Sydney Posts: 538	http://www.sinodefence.com/army/crewserved/mg_35.asp Webpage for the Chinese agl. __________________ Tuesday is Soylent Green day.

December 23, 2005, 11:05 AM	#55
DocFox Member Join Date: October 8, 2005 Location: Chattanooga,TN Posts: 92	Why did you guys have to bring up the MK19?.... Now there are tears in my eyes as I remember the joys of it... snnniiifff....At least I have the memories

December 29, 2005, 03:49 PM	#57
avball Junior Member Join Date: December 29, 2005 Posts: 1	Mk-19 rounds in an M203 YMMV, but I was chilling by the armory one day talking to a buddy (armorer) about this very thing, and he didn't think it would chamber - he tried it, and it did not. Pretty decent little no brainer safety mechanism there, just make the round such that it won't chamber properly in something that might kB on you :P Of course, I wouldn't try to fire one if it did fit, but maybe guys will feel a little better knowing that the wrong round shouldn't be able to chamber into a 203.

February 5, 2006, 04:36 PM	#58
grndpndr Junior Member Join Date: February 5, 2006 Location: SW SD Posts: 13	Cypherninja,that would be a Hedp round,notice the copper funnel shaped liner. An old TM i have claims the MK19 HEDP round will penetrate 2 in of armor!?

February 5, 2006, 09:47 PM	#59
CypherNinja Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 114	I knew it was a shaped charge (hard to miss that). I just wasn't sure if it was for a MK19 or not. __________________ -"Those who would sacrifice a little Liberty for more Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin -"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison "Violent videogames don't make kids violent. Hard games do."

February 7, 2006, 04:11 PM	#60
grndpndr Junior Member Join Date: February 5, 2006 Location: SW SD Posts: 13	My apologys for stating the obvious,have i stumbled onto one of those sites that delight in flaming new members? Quote: "I dunno what round it is(if its even a US round)" indicates ignorance,I was trying to be helpful,my apologys for attempting to answer what was to me apparently a question. Cartridge 40mm HEDP M433; OD aluminum skirt w/steel cup attached white markings and gold ogive

February 7, 2006, 11:55 PM	#61
Lord_Nikon Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 401	grndpndr, you didn't really identify the round, you just pointed out the general typ. That's like someone posting pictures of a handgun asking for help identifying the make and model, and you respond, "Oh, it's a revolver!" __________________ Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?

February 8, 2006, 12:09 AM	#62
CypherNinja Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 114	Oh dude, sorry. I didn't mean it like that. Explosives that chamber in a full-auto are all pretty sweet. __________________ -"Those who would sacrifice a little Liberty for more Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin -"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison "Violent videogames don't make kids violent. Hard games do."

February 8, 2006, 08:28 AM	#63
grndpndr Junior Member Join Date: February 5, 2006 Location: SW SD Posts: 13	Being new her i dont want to get off on the wrong foot so if i offended my apologys.From whaty i could gather from the net it doesnt appear to be US either so that leaves chinese /russian and i would have no idea which.I also thought US had a type u\of spring steel coil arrangement around the grenade to provide shrapnel.I am not sure what caliber the russ is,35mm? Any way i am curious now and intend to search to see if i can find theanswer,the fuze may be the answer.Again in didnt intend to offend it was late and perhaps I took it the wrong way

March 2, 2006, 01:41 PM	#64
Chaingunner Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2006 Location: El Cajon/San Diego, CA Posts: 394	So I should PROBABLY have read to the end of the thread before replying to a post at the beginning of it, but I'm kinda pressed for time so I'll get right to it: MK19 rounds are only for the Mk19. Imagine my chain of command's surprise when they decided to requisition some 40mm from the 13th MEU while we were on deployment, thinking that they would surprise the armory staff by giving us 40mm ammo to fire out of our ancient M79s, only to have me tell them "mk19 ammo can't be used in the M79. The rounds are linked and the cases are a different length, anyway." They weren't happy.

March 20, 2006, 10:57 PM	#65
5whiskey Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2005 Location: US Posts: 3,657	Mk 19s specs Don't know about the length and weight, I just know it's too heavy for anything except for using on a gun-truck. The min arming distance is 17 meters, but in all practicallity, it's more like 25. I saw an ND into hesco barrier 22 meters away and it didn't blow. It works off of a centrifugal fuse that requires 3 rotations, I think. DP is 2" of steel, and DP is about all the ammo you get anyway, unless they make orange death for it. I know they make orange death for 203's, I'm not sure about 19's. The only package I've seen rounds come in is an ammo can with 36 rounds, but in invasion of fallujah everyone rigged a can on the side of the turret so they could have two cans linked together (linking grenades is a pain in the butt). Very fun weapon. Nothing says "I hate you and hope you die" quite like a GMG, though the ma duece with APITS come close. Excellent for indirect fire, but I wouldn't call in the same format as other supporting arms. You still need an FO with some good sense, most gunners I know of aren't exactly squad leaders or platoon seargents. Point being they probably aren't familiar with how an FDC works. If the gunner can't get eyes on, the FO needs to know the gunners pos so they can relay correction in relation to the gunners pos and not the FO's. Alright, good 'nough for now.

March 26, 2006, 09:44 PM	#66
Chaingunner Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2006 Location: El Cajon/San Diego, CA Posts: 394	Wheeler0351 says Very fun weapon. Nothing says "I hate you and hope you die" quite like a GMG, though the ma duece with APITS come close. ...except for the Mk38Mod1 25mm machine gun system loaded with SAPHEI-T... yes, that DOES, in fact, stand for Semi Armor Piercing High Explosive Incendiary-Tracer. __________________ Real men use iron sights. "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis."