Gun-Free Zones - US Military Installations - Page 2

johnwilliamson062 · December 12, 2009, 08:15 PM

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You should recognise that as a member of the military, you do not have the same constitutional rights as a civilian. Your enlistment is a contract where you voluntarily agree to the suspension of your rights

Interesting point here. Although i would absolutely agree it is the case, I am now thinking about the constitutionality of it. I know there were many companies with contracts limiting rights 50 or 100 years ago and it was deemed illegal. The only time it is done now is basically when it concerns company property(piracy and non-disclosure agreements). Even non-compete agreements have been neutered to such an extent they are basically pointless. At least that is my impression.

Molon-Labe · December 14, 2009, 08:56 AM

Drail & raimius:

From what I've read, it IS strictly up to the installation commander; for Army installations anyway. Currently, Army installations with which I am familiar require registration. Firearms are only permitted in places of authorized use (hunting areas and shooting ranges). Travel to and from these areas must be by the most direct route; no stops along the way for shopping, etc. Firearms must be transported unloaded and stored separate from ammunition. On-post residents in family housing are normally allowed to keep firearms in their quarters, unloaded and locked up. Soldiers living in dormitories store their firearms in unit armories (naturally). Do all of these rules constitute a gun-free zone? You be the judge. Some interesting reading here for those interested. The US Constitution, Public Law 90-618, and the Firearms Owners Protection Act (prohibits regisration databases) would appear to prohibit such stringent rules. Department of the Army's AR 190-11 doesn't even impose such strict rules. Yet, rules at most Army bases are very similar. Does anyone know the source of these rules?

johnwilliamson062 · December 14, 2009, 09:45 AM

An interesting point. In this thread it has been stated this has been policy for Army, Navy, and AF for a long time. USMC was specifiically omitted. Speaking of Rwilson 452s post. I assume policy is the same. I know there are no firearms in base housing, at least barracks, but what about CCW from personnel living off base?

December 14, 2009, 09:45 AM	#28
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	An interesting point. In this thread it has been stated this has been policy for Army, Navy, and AF for a long time. USMC was specifiically omitted. Speaking of Rwilson 452s post. I assume policy is the same. I know there are no firearms in base housing, at least barracks, but what about CCW from personnel living off base? Last edited by johnwilliamson062; December 14, 2009 at 10:14 AM.

December 14, 2009, 08:56 AM	#27
Molon-Labe Junior Member Join Date: December 13, 2009 Posts: 5	Drail & raimius: From what I've read, it IS strictly up to the installation commander; for Army installations anyway. Currently, Army installations with which I am familiar require registration. Firearms are only permitted in places of authorized use (hunting areas and shooting ranges). Travel to and from these areas must be by the most direct route; no stops along the way for shopping, etc. Firearms must be transported unloaded and stored separate from ammunition. On-post residents in family housing are normally allowed to keep firearms in their quarters, unloaded and locked up. Soldiers living in dormitories store their firearms in unit armories (naturally). Do all of these rules constitute a gun-free zone? You be the judge. Some interesting reading here for those interested. The US Constitution, Public Law 90-618, and the Firearms Owners Protection Act (prohibits regisration databases) would appear to prohibit such stringent rules. Department of the Army's AR 190-11 doesn't even impose such strict rules. Yet, rules at most Army bases are very similar. Does anyone know the source of these rules?