SAIGAS are now illegal to import, per ATF report today?

tjhands · January 27, 2011, 05:45 PM

http://www.atf.gov/publications/fire...n-shotguns.pdf

Idiots. What do you make of this?

oneounceload · January 27, 2011, 06:33 PM

Quote:

All interested persons may submit comments on this study.
Comments may be submitted by e-mail to [email protected] or by fax to (202)648-9601.
Faxed comments may not exceed 5 pages.
All comments must include name and mailing address.
ATF encourages submission of comments no later than May 1, 2011.

From the cover - they're not banned, they are doing a study

The fear and panic will drive the prices up sharply I'll bet though

Technosavant · January 27, 2011, 08:16 PM

A quick scan of the document indicates they're initiating a study, but the initial leaning (in the conclusion) is for non-importation of shotguns with any of the following:
- folding or telescoping stock
- bayonet lug
- flash suppressor
- magazine over 5 rounds or a drum mag (note: detachable mag are not a disqualifier)
- grenade launcher mount
- integrated rail system (not on the top cover, that is)
- light enhancing device
- excessive weight
- excessive bulk
- forward handgrip (like a VFG)

Currently, the Saiga 12 as imported has NONE of those things. They can be added by the end user, but that doesn't affect importability, since it's already here. As to whether there would be legal repercussions for the owner if he/she would do such a thing is another question.

I'm not really seeing anything that would prohibit imports of the Saiga. Now, the Chinese copies of the old trench gun would be out (due to the bayonet lug), but the Saiga has none of those evil features right out of the box.

A bigger question would be what might happen to owners (like me) who have done such things to their shotguns.

TheKlawMan · January 27, 2011, 09:05 PM

I think the study is aimed at the Kel TEc Bull Pup. Technically it doesn't have a high capacity magazine, meaning one holding over 10 rounds. It has two seven shots.

oneounceload · January 27, 2011, 09:09 PM

Except the KelTec is US made, the Saiga is imported. I'm sure there are a few others, even from the big names like Beretta or similar, catering to LE groups that they fear might fall into civilian hands

TheKlawMan · January 27, 2011, 09:37 PM

My bad, oneounce. I was thinking of California where I do not believe the large capacity magazine restriction is limited to imports. See Cal. Penal Code § 12020(a)(2), (b).

oneounceload · January 27, 2011, 10:27 PM

Several states, CA included do have some more stringent restrictions, even on US made products.......it's a shame

January 27, 2011, 05:45 PM	#1
tjhands Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2005 Posts: 1,718	SAIGAS are now illegal to import, per ATF report today? http://www.atf.gov/publications/fire...n-shotguns.pdf Idiots. What do you make of this? __________________ "If the sole purpose of handguns is to kill people, then mine are all defective." - Uncle Ted Nugent

January 27, 2011, 09:05 PM	#4
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,149	Kel Tec Bull PUP I think the study is aimed at the Kel TEc Bull Pup. Technically it doesn't have a high capacity magazine, meaning one holding over 10 rounds. It has two seven shots.

January 27, 2011, 08:16 PM	#3
Technosavant Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 4,040	A quick scan of the document indicates they're initiating a study, but the initial leaning (in the conclusion) is for non-importation of shotguns with any of the following: - folding or telescoping stock - bayonet lug - flash suppressor - magazine over 5 rounds or a drum mag (note: detachable mag are not a disqualifier) - grenade launcher mount - integrated rail system (not on the top cover, that is) - light enhancing device - excessive weight - excessive bulk - forward handgrip (like a VFG) Currently, the Saiga 12 as imported has NONE of those things. They can be added by the end user, but that doesn't affect importability, since it's already here. As to whether there would be legal repercussions for the owner if he/she would do such a thing is another question. I'm not really seeing anything that would prohibit imports of the Saiga. Now, the Chinese copies of the old trench gun would be out (due to the bayonet lug), but the Saiga has none of those evil features right out of the box. A bigger question would be what might happen to owners (like me) who have done such things to their shotguns.

January 27, 2011, 09:09 PM	#5
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Except the KelTec is US made, the Saiga is imported. I'm sure there are a few others, even from the big names like Beretta or similar, catering to LE groups that they fear might fall into civilian hands

January 27, 2011, 09:37 PM	#6
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,149	My bad, oneounce. I was thinking of California where I do not believe the large capacity magazine restriction is limited to imports. See Cal. Penal Code § 12020(a)(2), (b).

January 27, 2011, 10:27 PM	#7
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Several states, CA included do have some more stringent restrictions, even on US made products.......it's a shame