Ringed load?

vulcan · October 17, 2002, 11:07 PM

Hi, Maybe one of the scattergun wizards tried or has info on this one. I was told a poor man's slug can be made from a regular shotshell by cutting the casing(over the wad) all the way around leaving 3 very small uncut sections to hold the shell together. When fired, the front section(casing,shot,wad) shoots out as 1 projectile. I was warned not to do this trick except in a single or double barrel shotgun because of ejection problem & possibility of casing lodged in barrel on a pumpgun. If this works It might work as a poorman's glaser! Anyway, have anyone tried this or have any info on it? Thanks

Dfariswheel · October 18, 2002, 12:21 AM

I heard this one years ago. Some gun writer heard this when he was a kid and decided to try it.

The writer tried it and got the casing stuck in the barrel.
Since the shell casing is bigger than the bore, the casing made it part way down the barrel, the end opened and the shot and wads blew on out, leaving the casing and some wadding jammed in good and tight.

C.R.Sam · October 18, 2002, 04:23 AM

Great way to blow the gun up with a second shot.

Sam

Dave McC · October 18, 2002, 05:13 AM

I beleive it's called a South African Slug. Another good way to receive a Darwin Award, IMO.

The older version of years gone by was to open the crimp on a shotshell and pour in a little melted candle wax or tallow.How wax or tallow would keep holding the shot together in a clump with gases reaching 400F in contact with same is not known.

BTW, a shot load striking anything while still contained in the wad mimics a Glaser.

Standard shotgun ammo is devastating, stick with it....

Al Thompson · October 18, 2002, 07:24 AM

I've tried this - when I was young and stupid. You have to just about completely sever the shell just ahead of the brass. IIRC, the max range is >20 yards as the shot tends to go through the crimp due to momentum.

It was fairly common amongst the mountain folks where I grew up. Cartridges were expensive and bigger game was target of opportunity rather than planned. Most gun shops and sporting goods stores sold cartridges individually.

Other than an emergency situation I see no use for this technique.

HSMITH · October 18, 2002, 08:26 AM

Hard wax poured into the shot works much better, but you need a mylar wrap to keep it from sticking to the wad. You also need to factor the weight of the wax into the load, it raises the total weight of the ejecta considerably and pressure follows. If it drags the wad with it a lot of control is lost, meaning you can't hit much with it. IC is the tightest choke I would ever try with this too, pressures could elevate drastically with a tighter choke. Fun to experiment with, but usefulness is questionable.

Bruce626 · October 18, 2002, 10:55 PM

Geez... why would you even consider this? If it is simply economics, I'll send you some money! Don't kill yourself or those around you just to save 50 cents is my humble opinion.

If on the other hand this was simply a technical/feasibility theoretical question, my advice would be to fully document your preparations, update your will, and go for it.

SDC · October 19, 2002, 08:15 AM

Do a search on "New Zealand Slug", and you'll see the same thing; this is an all-round bad idea, hard on your shotgun (if not destructive), and can be very hard on your eyes, face, fingers, etc. if it lets go.

vulcan · October 19, 2002, 01:24 PM

Bruce, thanks for the financial offer, But I still have enough brain cells not to try this. I just wanted to see if this wasn't a old shooter's tale.

October 17, 2002, 11:07 PM	#1
vulcan Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2002 Posts: 265	Ringed load? Hi, Maybe one of the scattergun wizards tried or has info on this one. I was told a poor man's slug can be made from a regular shotshell by cutting the casing(over the wad) all the way around leaving 3 very small uncut sections to hold the shell together. When fired, the front section(casing,shot,wad) shoots out as 1 projectile. I was warned not to do this trick except in a single or double barrel shotgun because of ejection problem & possibility of casing lodged in barrel on a pumpgun. If this works It might work as a poorman's glaser! Anyway, have anyone tried this or have any info on it? Thanks

October 18, 2002, 07:24 AM	#5
Al Thompson Staff Alumnus Join Date: May 2, 1999 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,611	I've tried this - when I was young and stupid. You have to just about completely sever the shell just ahead of the brass. IIRC, the max range is >20 yards as the shot tends to go through the crimp due to momentum. It was fairly common amongst the mountain folks where I grew up. Cartridges were expensive and bigger game was target of opportunity rather than planned. Most gun shops and sporting goods stores sold cartridges individually. Other than an emergency situation I see no use for this technique. __________________ http://www.scfirearms.org/

October 19, 2002, 08:15 AM	#8
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	Do a search on "New Zealand Slug", and you'll see the same thing; this is an all-round bad idea, hard on your shotgun (if not destructive), and can be very hard on your eyes, face, fingers, etc. if it lets go. __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

October 19, 2002, 01:24 PM	#9
vulcan Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2002 Posts: 265	not me! Bruce, thanks for the financial offer, But I still have enough brain cells not to try this. I just wanted to see if this wasn't a old shooter's tale.

October 18, 2002, 12:21 AM	#2
Dfariswheel Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2001 Posts: 7,478	I heard this one years ago. Some gun writer heard this when he was a kid and decided to try it. The writer tried it and got the casing stuck in the barrel. Since the shell casing is bigger than the bore, the casing made it part way down the barrel, the end opened and the shot and wads blew on out, leaving the casing and some wadding jammed in good and tight.

October 18, 2002, 04:23 AM	#3
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Great way to blow the gun up with a second shot. Sam

October 18, 2002, 05:13 AM	#4
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	I beleive it's called a South African Slug. Another good way to receive a Darwin Award, IMO. The older version of years gone by was to open the crimp on a shotshell and pour in a little melted candle wax or tallow.How wax or tallow would keep holding the shot together in a clump with gases reaching 400F in contact with same is not known. BTW, a shot load striking anything while still contained in the wad mimics a Glaser. Standard shotgun ammo is devastating, stick with it....

October 18, 2002, 08:26 AM	#6
HSMITH Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2002 Posts: 2,019	Hard wax poured into the shot works much better, but you need a mylar wrap to keep it from sticking to the wad. You also need to factor the weight of the wax into the load, it raises the total weight of the ejecta considerably and pressure follows. If it drags the wad with it a lot of control is lost, meaning you can't hit much with it. IC is the tightest choke I would ever try with this too, pressures could elevate drastically with a tighter choke. Fun to experiment with, but usefulness is questionable.

October 18, 2002, 10:55 PM	#7
Bruce626 Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2002 Location: Handgun-Free Chicago thanks to Gun-grabber Daley Posts: 167	Geez... why would you even consider this? If it is simply economics, I'll send you some money! Don't kill yourself or those around you just to save 50 cents is my humble opinion. If on the other hand this was simply a technical/feasibility theoretical question, my advice would be to fully document your preparations, update your will, and go for it.