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November 1, 2010, 02:22 AM | #1 |
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A great example of why law-abiding citizens need the RKBA
Article from today's Atlanta Journal-Constitution:
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/murd...ow-707754.html These guys are frightening, if only because they have such obviously low regard for human (and canine) life. Most of us live in neighborhoods where we don't normally encounter these guys; but in many cases, they aren't that many driving minutes away. |
November 1, 2010, 07:58 AM | #2 |
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What is a a "RKBA"?
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November 1, 2010, 08:07 AM | #3 |
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It helps. But that is really beside the point, and not the intention for it anyway. This problem could be fixed with better education, better law enforcement and more opportunities for people. Barring that arms are only a final solution for a problem that got out of control.
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Frightening story, sad to hear that a former Marine is involved in this brutality. Last edited by spacecoast; November 1, 2010 at 08:29 AM. |
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November 1, 2010, 08:24 AM | #5 |
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Education would merely give you smarter gang members more likely to not have firearms malfunctions but have better planning for their exploits. More armed citizens and police allowed to be tougher might help.
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Gang life and violence are glamorized in movies and music, and these kids can't seperate fact and fiction. The biggest issue in my opinion is lack of parenting skills these days. Parents either don't know how, don't have time, or just don't care to teach their children right from wrong. How are you going to educate when the high school gradualtion rate for black and hispanic males hovers right around 60%. http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2010/2010015/...igure_18_2.asp This, in turn, means they are more likely to be unemployed and earn less than others. Even if better opportunities existed, would they be able to get those jobs? As for better law enforcement, good luck with that. Most cities are bleeding money right now and are actually cutting back on services since tax revenues are way down. I do believe a massive crack down on gang activity is required and the application of RICO laws would probably give police much more authority. Like I said though, money is tight. I hate to sound brash about it, but the best cure for this disease is often a good dose of lead poisoning, administered through a gun. Our court and legal system is a joke and is one of the most bureaucratic and inefficient systems on the planet. (Maybe I've sat through jury duty too many times). In jail, they just learn from more hardened criminals and establish new ties. How many people are actually rehabilitated in prison? I doubt a very high percentage. So sorry to rant on your opptomistic parade.
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November 1, 2010, 09:21 AM | #8 |
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Armed citizens are the cure for gangs. It will establish fear for the gangs and authority for the citizens.
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November 1, 2010, 09:23 AM | #9 |
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Not the intention for it anyway?
MTT TL, should I assume that you are one of the "for militia purposes only" advocates? If not, what "intention" do you mean?
I'd say the right to self-defense always was an intended part of 2A; defense against criminals, and ultimately (as borne out by writings of the founders, such as the Federalist Papers; and also as borne out by their own prior actions) defense against a potentially tyrannic government. Seem to recall from some of your other posts that you are or were military. You may recall CJCS guidance on the "inherent right and responsibility" of self-defense of own unit, own national units, and designated friendly units. Do you really think the founders intended to allow only government representatives the "inherent right" of self-defense? But I may have misunderstood your meaning... I'm pretty sure I understand and agree with you that education, youth programs, and similar methods for preventing kids from joining gangs in the first place are the better way; I think we should fund and support such methods. But, even with those in place, there will always be true low-lifes. We can (ideally) minimize their numbers through positive means. However, when one finds oneself confronted by these types, it does no good at that point to wish for better social programs. |
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What I have noticed is that criminal activity is less in areas where people have better education and opportunities, this is indisputable. It seems to follow that there are at least some environmental causes. Feel free to disagree, it does not hurt my feelings any. Quote:
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November 1, 2010, 09:32 AM | #11 |
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Better law enforcement...
As stephen426 noted, the current budget situation for most metro areas isn't likely to lend itself to accelerated LEO hiring, nor expanded foot patrols, nor increased Gang Response Units.
And oddly enough, while Police Chiefs associations and different groups of mayors tend to favor stricter gun control, their view often does NOT seem to be shared by patrol officers and detectives. I've had two cousins in Massachusetts, and a friend in Washington state, run into problems with stalkers or, in one case, threats of physical harm from known criminals. In those three cases, the investigating officers recommended my cousins and my friend "get a gun," because the police can't be everywhere, and even a fast response time is likely to be too late. For that matter, I have a fair amount of LEO friends, ranging from city PD officers to deputy sheriffs to Customs to FBI. None of the patrol cops, narcotics cops, or field agents I know favor stricter gun control for law-abiding citizens. Every one of my acquaintances favor "shall issue" for CCW. Go figure. |
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I wonder how much work there is to being a criminal, given that the subject has finally come up. Whether it is hard work or not, it is certainly a risky occupation. But then as in most professions, the rewards are relative to the risk.
I am a little disturbed by the idea that the answer to problems is "lead poisoning." Generally speaking, that is how dictators deal with their problems and on top of that, they get to say what the problems are.
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I think that police compensation for many places is a little on the high end these days because back when the economy was booming they had to raise wages significantly to compete. If they lowered compensation packages they could hire more officers these days and cut less.
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A Big Mess
Yet another example of the USA & the rest of the world disintegrating at Warp-Speed!
Huckabee said (about terrorists) "you can't reason with evil, youv'e got to destroy it"! Same applies here. No matter what we do & how the election(s) goes we are not going to derail prophesy. It is NOT going to get better, we are NOT going to revert to the good ole days. AND, I am NOT a "doomsday-er", but for your own sake and the sake of your loved ones, prepare for what WILL happen. Eternity, Smoking or non-smoking?
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I'm sorry but education and better "options" don't seem to really work to well.
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Arm a citizen, stop a crime (should be a new organization )
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As for my apparant blood lust, I may have come off as too harsh. You can't "educate" your way out of a gang encounter. Most of these guys have no respect for their own lives and they certainly have much less respect for you life. In the article, a fellow gang member was shot just for showing compassion for one of their own gang members! If you were able to poll gang members, I'm sure most of them have little to no fear of arrest. Many of them would be somewhat safe in prison due to protection from other gang members already locked up. I'm sure most of them don't even fear for their own life. I certainly hope your way works, but just in case, I'll keep my guns on the ready.
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What I can't guarantee is what people do with the opportunity. As I said earlier people commit crimes for all kinds of reasons, people just tend to commit less of them if they have something else to do with their life. Quote:
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Prison doesn't help crime if you have criminals getting parol, flat screen Tv's and their phone call every day (probably calls to other gang members). ...Arm every citizen in crimeville and you'll have no more crime. And my post never said anything about it being impossible for criminals to go to jail! I said prison doesn't fix crime; It just creates a quarantine house for it. I over-heard a police officer's conversation the other day and he was saying that prison's don't have any room left for criminals. They're outsourcing to other locations now just to find vacancy for the BG's.
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November 1, 2010, 02:18 PM | #20 |
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I can think of plenty of places that have large handgun ownership, but still have large crime rates. Perhaps guns cant solve crime any more than guns cause crime? They can certainly stop a crime from happening to you though, which is why all who are serious about personal safety should carry...
Better education would certainly help the most in my opinion, but unfortunately we have inefficient schools and parents who don't care...
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Not a tactics discussion anymore.
Closed.
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