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February 20, 2014, 02:37 PM | #51 | ||
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It's not that they put all the effort into the revolvers it's that making an automatic with a barrel that's not rigedly mounted to the sights requires more effort to make as accurate as a gun that has the sights mounted to the frame. Tightly fitting the barrel and slide so that they lock up tight while retaining the reliability desired in a service pistol requires more hand fitting which adds cost, so S&W certainly builds in added tolerance to insure reliability at the cost of accuracy.
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I will again argue that most shooters cannot shoot to the limits of their pistols so the question is sort of moot. Using the OPs criteria however and if you have the skills, a mid priced production service revolver will be more inherently accurate than mid priced production service semi-auto due to the complexity differences in the two basic designs.
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In 99% of off hand applications it will be all about the Indian not the arrow... Most guns are mechanically more accurate than the shooter.
If you are shooting off a mechanical rest whats the fun in that? LOL Couldn't agree more |
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Kinda a conundrum
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I shoot better with a revolver. What does that prove? Absolutely nothing.
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February 27, 2014, 06:17 AM | #56 |
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Inherent accuracy....what the gun will do when locked in a ransom rest?
We could talk forever but the argument that the barrel and sights being locked together, a la revolvers, results in superior accuracy is compelling. It may be worth considering, though, the idea that the cylinder with its cartridges in a revolver is not as tightly locked to the barrel when ignition occurs as the cartridge is in the breech of a semiauto. It may be that there is little effect; I don't know. "Shootability", however, is a different consideration. I know that the OP referenced stock guns....however, any gun can be accurized, revolver or semi-auto. With that in mind....it is worth noting that all national records in conventional pistol shooting are held by semiautomatic pistols. Pete
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If it hasnt been addressed already. I say distance will play a key factor in the accuracy war. Its well know that a semi barrel will move to some extent where a Rev is fixed. At 15yds this will have little to no effect. At 100yds that .001" in movement equates to several inches. Prior to that the SA may have some advantage in grip angle and fit to the hand. But, for 99.9% of us its the Indian not the arrow that is dictating accuracy. Unless you are shooting a very poor quality handgun.
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The revolver is generally more accurate off the shelf except for .22 L.R. The autos used in bulls eye competition are not off the shelf guns. The semis seem to be more accurate than they were years ago. The single action trigger on a S&W rev. is so much better than any semi that the trigger pull alone makes it easier to shoot well, add the fact that it's more accurate too and there's your answer. The rev. hands down.
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Every tweak or modification allowed within the rules is used. Sights, grips, trigger & action jobs, etc. If its allowed in the rules, it is being done, by most, if not all. Other than matches where no modifications at all are the rules, the next time someone wins a major match with a completely bone stock off the shelf gun will be the first time in a very long time. Consider for a moment the Contender. It has the fixed barrel & sight relationship of the revolver, and the solid barrel & chamber of the auto pistol. And generally, will out shoot both in terms of accuracy (group size).
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I'm pretty sure the Contender would win - but - I wouldn't want to bet my life on it. |
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Come on lee n field, using a MkII is cheating mate. You gotcha a good M-19 though!
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Which is the most accurate - revolver or semi-auto? Hmmm . . .
I've always found that there is no real difference . . . IF you take the time to practice, practice, practice and "learn" you handgun . . i.e. how it functions, how it aims, the best loads and where the POI is. As the old saying goes . . "Beware of the man who shoots just one gun."
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My Mark II "Slabside" is nothing to brag about from an accuracy standpoint. Neither are the two .22/45's I have - but - I will say I do shoot the one .22/45 exceptionally well due to the sheer number of rounds I put through it. Quote:
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Revolvers aren't used in Bullseye competition. It's a semi-auto game, has been for 50 years or longer.
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Sure Hal, I forgot this is the internet, All I know is I've shot several 10 shot groups with my old Mk II and my even older Mk I targets under 1/2" and they never shoot groups over 1" which is why I used the term easily. My M14 will shoot 5 under an inch sometimes but it's no safe bet, Also I'm sure you're not comparing 19s shooting carefully loaded reloads against Mk IIs shooting cheap bulk ammo as that's hardly apples to apples
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I shoot with a fellow who shoots a K-22 in all of our Bullseye matches.....and shoots it quite nicely. I, myself, use an old S&W model 10 for the centerfire stages occasionally. I am sure that we are not the only ones. However, the fact that so few shooters chose to shoot revolvers in the Bullseye game - where accuracy/precision is paramount - says volumes about the "shootability" of semiautos vs. revolvers. All Distinguished Revolver matches run by the CMP are Bullseye matches.
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What I haven't seen here are two comparos of roughly comparable weapons, say a 4.5in 9mm semi and a 4in 38 wheelgun, all in the same price range, both locked in rests and then both fired handheld.
One might _assume _ that a fixed barrel 9, such as a Styr GB, would perform equally with a 38 wheelgun, but it would be a fun assumption to verify. I have the GB, but don't have a comparable 38, or I would do that myself. |
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