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Old July 14, 2002, 12:40 AM   #1
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Woohoo!!! AZ draw results are in!

I just got a call from my hunting buddy. He got our draw results from AZ Game & Fish today. We were drawn for 'Any Elk' in Twin Arrows and for Whitetail in 36B. They only gave out 15 of those 'Any Elk' tags and we got two of them! Talk about a great draw this year. Come Spetember, it will just be my buddy, myself, and 13 other people out there and we can take any elk we see. My buddy filled a cow tag up there last year and he said he saw some monster bulls.

And after that, we get to go whitetail hunting and our hunt even falls over my birthday. Wow, I'm still in shock. I'm not sure that I will be able to believe it until the tags get here!

(Sorry if it sounds like I'm bragging, I'm just very excited.)
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Old July 14, 2002, 02:07 AM   #2
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Now let us hope the fire situation will allow us to get to em.

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Old July 14, 2002, 06:46 PM   #3
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My congrats....I hear that Arizona tags are very dificult to get. Hope you guys have a great hunt.
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Old July 15, 2002, 08:12 PM   #4
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I got drawn for 12a-w early hunt any antlered deer Ive been trying for 8 yrs to get that hunt area.
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Old July 15, 2002, 09:26 PM   #5
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Happy for ya, guys!

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Old July 16, 2002, 12:19 AM   #6
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Now that I've calmed down a bit, I have a question. This will be my first elk hunt and I have something new for AZ, an 'Any Elk' tag. Since my wife is set against having a dead animal hanging on the wall, I won't be mounting any trophies. So, my question is, which do you prefer the meat from a bull or a cow? What size/gender of elk gives the best meat? If I run across a heard what kind of elk should I single out?

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Old July 16, 2002, 05:48 AM   #7
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It's less the gender than the age. "Young and tender" didn't become a cliche by accident. However, with proper field-dressing and a quick cool-down and then knowledgeable butchering, it's all good eating.

The most important thing is that when cooking, you don't let the low-fat meat dry out. Use a basting sauce (don't add salt) when roasting or barbecuing, and turn the meat often. Use tongs, not a fork.

While a head mount is nice, you can always take a saw and slice through the front of the skull at an angle and keep the horns, if they're worth keeping as bragging-size. Use a clear varnish on the horns, and nail them inside the garage wall.

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Old July 24, 2002, 01:33 PM   #8
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""Young and tender" didn't become a cliche by accident. However, with proper field-dressing and a quick cool-down and then knowledgeable butchering, it's all good eating."

Agreed - in spades (to a point)

I've yet to see any "bad" elk - no matter the age or size.

First things first. Take care of the meat in the feild right away & there is no bad elk.

Get the thing gutted ASAP - tremedous amount of heat inside that big ol' thang.

Always think COOL(er the better) & DRY. Elk's hide helps to retain body heat - strip it off as soon as possible to allow the meat to cool off. Too, that'll allow a "film" to form over the meat which helps protect it from bugs, moister loss & other nasty stuff. Hang it so it can get unobstructed air-flow around it (more cooling), hang a tarp so it shades the meat all day but doesn't touch - you want great, unobstructed air-flow & the cooler the better - & right now. We've hung elk quarters at 50 degF+ for 3+ days (daytime temps (night times going to below freezing) not recommended, BTW) in total shade & good air-flow withg zip for bad meat. I think that's pushing it .... AZ ought to have similar humidity as CO which helps regards forming the "skin" & not radiating the heat all over as with more south eastern areas. Cheesecloth won't keep flies from laying eggs in the meat unless it's hung a couple inches away from the meat - you may have to rig a "mosquito net" to keep 'em off.

If you have to due to the weather, get that thing out of your hunting area ASAP & into a cool(er) spot. Leave yer buds & get the meat in a cooler - you may prepare with a coupla big(ger) size coolers for this very reason - never hurts to have 'em on hand.

Bone your meat. Cuts down on cooling time, makes it easier to pack out of the woods (don't think I'll ever pack any bones out again) , & stores easier at camp if in coolers. Besides, you'll (or the processor) end up boning it out away for the best freezer storage. Quarter & slice up the length of the bone & then just work your knife along the bone to get as much meat as possible in one great big hunk. Wrap (cloth-type stuff, not plastic) & pack out.

Be prepared for some real work gutting, skinning & boing. A smallish/yearling cow elk can go 300 pounds & even rolling one over by yourself can be a chore - & doing so on a hillside just adds to the "fun." they tend to slide for every rollover. At least a couple 20'+ lengths of decent rope helps anchor the darned things before rolling. The standard 550 parachute cord is certainly strong enough, but seems "skinny" to me. I use a couple 1/2" wide tubular straps (came off a F4 drag chute). Still a couple hanks of 550 chute cord's always handy to have & you will want to have something to hang the stuff you can't pack out - 'chute cored works great for this. DO split the brisket & prop open with a stick or two - aids cooling, but if you quarter quickly, no need as the bulk of the biggest meat is isolated from the body.

You don't need an axe, an Arkansas Toothpick, or even a saw to do an elk. I use a lockblade Swiss Army knife as my primary & a cheap-O Western/Coleman "skinner" to peel the skin & for anything "real heavy." With some anatomy know-how, you can do an entire elk with a 2" blade. (no, I haven't, but you can. You certainly don't need 10 pounds of knives & saws .... )

Take a garbage bag (yep plastic) to take out the tenderloins & backstraps (perhaps 35+ pounds of prime meat) immediately in your daypack - you'll be back soon enough with bigger/better tools to cart out the remainder.

BTW, anytime you can, always shoot one so you only have to carry it's pieces parts downhill. Lugging elk parts uphill sucks. Better, shoot one in camp & close by the truck.

All told, for an "any elk" tag, I shoot the biggest one I could - just adds to the quantity of the meat. & about that "no dead critters hanging on the wall" bit - saw the antlers off at the skull & you will find some use for 'em - sometime.
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Old April 1, 2009, 02:29 AM   #9
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I drew a 4A rifle bull tag for Nov27th-Dec3rd. Very happy
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Old April 2, 2009, 05:17 PM   #10
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Amen to all reported on the proper way the get a elk cooled out.I am also one of the guys who don't drag bones around the mountains.I had been applyng in CA for Tule Elk tag for 25 years and finally got one last year for a M/L hunt. best hunt I have ever had so congrats to AZ hunters who drew coveted tags,I know what it means.When I got mine two days later I was in the hunting unit and started my scouting.This area had only 15 tags available for archery,M/L and rifle 5 ea. season.mine a M/L tag. I had 9 6 pt. bulls in front of me the first four hours.Shot my elk later that afternoon.Never saw any one of the 4 other hunters who also drew tags. lots of tule elk.I have now killed one of ea. species I am a satisfied man.
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Old April 2, 2009, 06:09 PM   #11
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I have now killed one of ea. species
Tule, Rocky Mountain, Roosevelt - is that all of them?
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Old April 2, 2009, 07:30 PM   #12
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In the US of A that is all of them, R.M., Roosevelt and the Tule,BTW, California is the only state that has huntable populations of ea. species.
Also I would like to note that if you are not worried about the hide, you folks hunting in the warmer climates during hunting season.The absolute best way to cool out an elk or larger animal is to get the shoulders off,I learned this from an old Montana elk hunter.After gutting he would slice the shoulders off,hang them in the trees finish up the rest.We use custom made muslin bags that can be easily hung in a tree and allow drainage with no bug infestations.

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Old April 2, 2009, 10:04 PM   #13
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yeah got my archery tag for 5A.
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