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Old December 30, 2020, 04:25 PM   #26
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Curve the trigger guard on a Glock & they don't look bad--& they certainly are reliable.
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Old December 30, 2020, 04:41 PM   #27
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You can't see the trigger guard while you are shooting.
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Old December 30, 2020, 11:23 PM   #28
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The best striker fired pistol is most probably the H&K P7. This is the squeeze cock pistol that has a trigger that breaks like a glass rod. It was discontinued in 2008 and prices have been climbing steadily.

When it comes to guns that you can fairly reasonably, the Walther PPQ and the H&K VP9 are the ones to beat (bone stock). They still can't compare to a fine single action trigger like a tuned 1911, but they are very usable and probably the best of the striker fired variety.
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Old January 6, 2021, 07:02 PM   #29
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I like "stock" Glocks. I own and qualify in 3 Calibers. They work (perfectly) everytime. I can pickup ANY factory Glock and qualify with it. I had to switch to a range gun once during qualification when the plastic front sight came off. No problem; they all work the same, perfectly. I put metal night sights on it after that. I believe that uniform perfection is why the dominate LE side arms. I am not aware of any other handgun that is so uniform. You can customize your 1911's all you want. I wont reach for one over an as issued Glock.
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Old January 9, 2021, 12:15 AM   #30
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g00RjgHbtlIThe Walther P99 AS:

..a striker-fired handgun operated as a SA, or decocked into DA for the first shot (6:28 in this video ).
Skimming this video too quickly can lead to some misunderstandings about the trigger 'modes'.

Maybe the OP knows a good bit about this gun?

Colors? All-black, or the black/olive drab gun demonstrated by "Terribly Tactical" in this video.

At 3:42, the German factory stamps and codes, with the faint "antler" symbol used on guns proofed in Ulm Germany.

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Old January 9, 2021, 05:10 AM   #31
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My Kahr K9 wasn't reliable out of the box but it is good now with a few mods like better guide rod and polished chamber. It has a very smooth striker mechanism and shoots way better than it should. Kahr is a bit hit and miss. If you want a home run out of the box, get a CZ SP01 with the decock. It's always ready and you decock it to reset the trigger to double action. It will shoot in single action like a 1911 after the first shot that makes it safer than a 1911 to carry. If you have no CZ's you don't know what you are missing.
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Old January 9, 2021, 03:45 PM   #32
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+1 on the Walther Q4 Steel Frame. Expensive, yes. IMHO you get what you pay for. Trigger is great as well as accuracy and overall fit and finish.

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Old January 9, 2021, 04:52 PM   #33
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I am, as always, the odd man out. I never wanted to carry a striker fired sidearm for decades. I am ISSUED one, but I am not wild about the Glock, completely on a subjective level - it just doesn't fit my hand well. So it was metal frame hammer fired until I tried a CZ P-10C. I am still carrying my first generation FDE P-10C, and I have NO idea how many rounds have gone down the tube since I picked it up. I usually go shooting every week or every other week, so...I dunno, around 4-5,000 rounds? It's been reliable and awesome, so much I got another one, a P-10S which is stunningly accurate for this fat old man, shoots like a much bigger pistol.
Just my $.02, worth what you paid for it.
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Old January 11, 2021, 05:27 PM   #34
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Perhaps I have it wrong and there IS a Cadillac of striker fires that I have missed.
I think you have it exactly right. Considering pistols being made today, I don't think there's a "hierarchy" of quality in terms of material, workmanship and finish (no matter how much it costs) available regarding striker-fired pistols that has long been the case with hammer-fired pistols. If I understand you correctly, your question has little to do with how much better Cadillacs perform and handle than Chevrolets; only that you can buy more window dressing if you think it's worth it. That option doesn't exist with striker-fired pistols. There's lots of 1911 "Cadillacs" to choose from but I can't think of a single striker-fired pistol "Pontiac".
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Old January 12, 2021, 01:21 PM   #35
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I consider the Walther P99AS to be the highest quality striker fired gun I've ever fired.

I'm not crazy about the ergos of the grip or the factory sights, but the build quality, reliabilty, and features (flush decocker) are superb.
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Old January 14, 2021, 09:26 AM   #36
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Off the shelf is a loose term these days, but I have seen many $2500+ "glock style" pistols offered by semi-custom shops like Zev and Agency.
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Old January 14, 2021, 10:03 PM   #37
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My choicees are Walther P99as, P99as compact and PPQ with a Springer 911 380 for pocket carry. Love my Walther's.

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Old January 17, 2021, 11:43 PM   #38
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DciqKh59DH8

"Sootch" operates the P99's decocker at 5:24. He compares the PPQ with the P99 (many of them are all-black, in contrast to his gun).

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As much as I Really, Really like my 'new' S&W 6904, 'new' 908, and the CZ PCR, if I could somehow have only One carry gun, it would likely be...

...my Walther P99 AS (and I prefer all-metal guns) . A primary factor is the very proportionate and smooth 'stacking' when pulling the trigger in DA.

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Old January 18, 2021, 02:10 PM   #39
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But striker fire seems to be pretty much regarded as all the same despite a wider variety of mechanisms.
Not by me
I’ve found the Steyr and Kahr DA striker triggers to be top shelf by a wide margin
The Kahr trigger is up among those of a fine revolver that’s been tuned
The Steyr isn’t quite in that league but it’s nice and far better than anything else I’ve used
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Old January 18, 2021, 02:18 PM   #40
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My Kahr K9 wasn't reliable out of the box but it is good now with a few mods like better guide rod and polished chamber.
It is widely known and Kahr fully admits that their pistols need to be “broken in”
They even say right in their manual that it needs something like 200-300 rounds before it will be reliable
Small tolerance firearms are usually that way
Mine have all taken around that count before I started to notice a difference
By around 500 they start to feel like an entirety differs pistol... in a good way
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Old January 20, 2021, 08:27 PM   #41
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Steel Walther PPQ’s are pretty top shelf for SF pistols.
I just the regular PPQ M2 and it is impressive.
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Old January 21, 2021, 10:48 AM   #42
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I gave in and took delivery of a 9mm S&W Shield EZ yesterday. Will try it out this afternoon. I can tell you the trigger pull is better than my G 19. (G19 trigger pull is rough). The EZ has a hammer, grip safety will take some getting used to. I got the one without the thumb safety. I will say that the M&P guns do feel better in the hand than the Glocks. Feel is not a big issue for me in a self defense gun. If "feel" was a real issue I'd carry only a S&W revolver or a 1911 gun. The recoil may be a tad snappy on the Shield, we'll see.
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Old January 21, 2021, 10:56 AM   #43
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My wife just picked up a S&W M&P 9 Shield EZ. I’m not a fan of the grip as it feels way to small, I prefer my full size M&P 40. But it’s not my gun so how it feels to me doesn’t matter. My wife likes it and is comfortable with it which is what matters. Feels high quality in typical S&W fashion.


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Old January 21, 2021, 08:08 PM   #44
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The problem with breakin periods is these days ammo is hard to find and exceedingly expensive.
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Old January 21, 2021, 08:34 PM   #45
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The best gun between striker or hammer fired handguns is likely the one which feels just right to the shooter. The gun with the best form, fit and function to the shooter is what matters. What I may consider trash is going to be someone else's treasure. The assorted gun rags are loaded with opinions and in most cases that's all there is, opinions. The gun I feel just "fits" and "functions" right is the next persons trash. Really more about what trips the shooter's trigger.

Would I ever base a gun buying decision on striker verse hammer fired? No, absolutely not.

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My wife just picked up a S&W M&P 9 Shield EZ. I’m not a fan of the grip as it feels way to small, I prefer my full size M&P 40. But it’s not my gun so how it feels to me doesn’t matter. My wife likes it and is comfortable with it which is what matters. Feels high quality in typical S&W fashion.
That covers it.
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Old January 21, 2021, 09:39 PM   #46
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Luger is the Cadillac of striker-fired pistols.
Very good description; a little newer, I would also put the HK P7 up near the top as unusual in operation as a Luger
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