Illinois CCW?

Double J · December 21, 2012, 10:46 AM

Where does Illinois sit on the CCW rights? There was a surge of hope we would have the right to carry, but it's been quiet for some time now. Are there any new updates?

DFrame · December 21, 2012, 11:14 AM

The federal appellate court overturned Illinois outright ban on CCW (for people without "Connections") and ordered them to pass SOME sort of CCW permit law within 6 months. Exactly how many restrictions and obstacles the chicago cabal will force into the bill is unknown. If they have their (chicago democrat) way it will be JUST BARELY possible for a citizen to get a CCW permit. Illinois left leaning attorney general COULD appeal the ruling to the supreme court and that could lead to more delays. The big danger for the anti-gun crowd in appealing is the possibility of LOSING.

bitttorrrent · December 21, 2012, 08:39 PM

Lisa Madigan(attorney general - il) would only be wasting our (my) tax payer money in an appeal. They lost and should just get on with crafting a law for concealed carry within the timeline stated.
It should not be that hard, just look at WI and do something similar.
Take a few weeks tops.

Boy do I love Politics.

Davey · December 21, 2012, 11:19 PM

Our NRA lobbyist has already stated that Florida is being used as a template.

Al Norris · December 22, 2012, 09:51 AM

Let's clear up some things...

Lisa Madigan (Il AG) has petitioned the court for more time to decide to file for en banc (a rehearing before the entire court, instead of the 3 judge panel). The court agreed and gave her until Jan 8th to file... or not. Meanwhile, the 90 day clock to file a petition before the Supreme Court is running.

Judge Posner did not order the Il Legislature to provide a CC law. In a 2-1 decision, the panel found the Il carry laws unconstitutional, reversed the lower (district) courts and remanded the cases back to them with the mandate to enter a declaration of the laws unconstitutionality and issue a permanent injunction.

However, the appeals court stayed its mandate for 180 days to allow the Il Legislature to pass appropriate legislation to allow carry in some constitutional form.

The assumption of many, is that this will be a CC law, instead of simple open carry (something none of the Chicago elite wants - they want that less than some CC law).

Whether or not you get a law like NY/MD or even CA, is up in the air. Whether or not the panel will accept such a law is up in the air (given the criticism by Judge Posner in the Kachalsky decision).

That's where you (in Il) stand, at the moment.

press1280 · December 23, 2012, 08:01 AM

The likelihood IL goes "may-issue" is close to zero, here's why: The current makeup of the legislature was within inches of a shall-issue CC bill passing a few months ago. Outside of Chicago and its close suburbs, it's all for shall-issue. With the no-carry law struck down, Chicago can't simply try to stonewall, because if nothing is done then technically anyone with an FOID can carry openly or concealed in most places. Chicago definitely doesn't want this. Our side will want something passed to at least have statewide uniformity and keep localities from trying to pass all kinds of nonsense laws.

So in a nutshell the best Chicago can do is maybe try to get training requirements or other requirements(that are common in other states). One of the main legislators who pushed for a watered down CC bill last time said they wouldn't be so nice this time. Chicago had a chance for that watered down bill last time, and WILL pay this time. IL should get a strong CC law, with reciprocity,restaurant/bar carry,exc. which wasn't in the original bill.

DFrame · December 23, 2012, 12:23 PM

I'm not so optomistic. I think we'll get a law with as many restrictions and obstacles as chicago can pile on. Some juristictions (like new york and california) are hoping Madigan doesn't appeal, for fear the SCOTUS will render a deceision striking down THEIR highly restrictive laws.

Uncle Buck · January 1, 2013, 05:25 PM

Tag. (Just in case Al updates this thread in the future)

December 21, 2012, 10:46 AM	#1
Double J Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2007 Location: So. Illinois Posts: 547	Illinois CCW? Where does Illinois sit on the CCW rights? There was a surge of hope we would have the right to carry, but it's been quiet for some time now. Are there any new updates?

December 21, 2012, 11:14 AM	#2
DFrame Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2008 Location: central Illinois Posts: 451	The federal appellate court overturned Illinois outright ban on CCW (for people without "Connections") and ordered them to pass SOME sort of CCW permit law within 6 months. Exactly how many restrictions and obstacles the chicago cabal will force into the bill is unknown. If they have their (chicago democrat) way it will be JUST BARELY possible for a citizen to get a CCW permit. Illinois left leaning attorney general COULD appeal the ruling to the supreme court and that could lead to more delays. The big danger for the anti-gun crowd in appealing is the possibility of LOSING. __________________ Mark Lane to William Buckley: "Have you ever referred to Jessee Jackson as an ignoramus?" Buckley: "If I didn't, I should have"

December 23, 2012, 12:23 PM	#7
DFrame Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2008 Location: central Illinois Posts: 451	I'm not so optomistic. I think we'll get a law with as many restrictions and obstacles as chicago can pile on. Some juristictions (like new york and california) are hoping Madigan doesn't appeal, for fear the SCOTUS will render a deceision striking down THEIR highly restrictive laws. __________________ Mark Lane to William Buckley: "Have you ever referred to Jessee Jackson as an ignoramus?" Buckley: "If I didn't, I should have"

January 1, 2013, 05:25 PM	#8
Uncle Buck Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2009 Location: West Central Missouri Posts: 2,592	Tag. (Just in case Al updates this thread in the future) __________________ Inside Every Bright Idea Is The 50% Probability Of A Disaster Waiting To Happen.

December 21, 2012, 08:39 PM	#3
bitttorrrent Senior Member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Chicago Posts: 703	Lisa Madigan(attorney general - il) would only be wasting our (my) tax payer money in an appeal. They lost and should just get on with crafting a law for concealed carry within the timeline stated. It should not be that hard, just look at WI and do something similar. Take a few weeks tops. Boy do I love Politics.

December 21, 2012, 11:19 PM	#4
Davey Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2010 Location: Not far enough from Chicago Posts: 394	Our NRA lobbyist has already stated that Florida is being used as a template.

December 22, 2012, 09:51 AM	#5
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	Let's clear up some things... Lisa Madigan (Il AG) has petitioned the court for more time to decide to file for en banc (a rehearing before the entire court, instead of the 3 judge panel). The court agreed and gave her until Jan 8th to file... or not. Meanwhile, the 90 day clock to file a petition before the Supreme Court is running. Judge Posner did not order the Il Legislature to provide a CC law. In a 2-1 decision, the panel found the Il carry laws unconstitutional, reversed the lower (district) courts and remanded the cases back to them with the mandate to enter a declaration of the laws unconstitutionality and issue a permanent injunction. However, the appeals court stayed its mandate for 180 days to allow the Il Legislature to pass appropriate legislation to allow carry in some constitutional form. The assumption of many, is that this will be a CC law, instead of simple open carry (something none of the Chicago elite wants - they want that less than some CC law). Whether or not you get a law like NY/MD or even CA, is up in the air. Whether or not the panel will accept such a law is up in the air (given the criticism by Judge Posner in the Kachalsky decision). That's where you (in Il) stand, at the moment.

December 23, 2012, 08:01 AM	#6
press1280 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 228	The likelihood IL goes "may-issue" is close to zero, here's why: The current makeup of the legislature was within inches of a shall-issue CC bill passing a few months ago. Outside of Chicago and its close suburbs, it's all for shall-issue. With the no-carry law struck down, Chicago can't simply try to stonewall, because if nothing is done then technically anyone with an FOID can carry openly or concealed in most places. Chicago definitely doesn't want this. Our side will want something passed to at least have statewide uniformity and keep localities from trying to pass all kinds of nonsense laws. So in a nutshell the best Chicago can do is maybe try to get training requirements or other requirements(that are common in other states). One of the main legislators who pushed for a watered down CC bill last time said they wouldn't be so nice this time. Chicago had a chance for that watered down bill last time, and WILL pay this time. IL should get a strong CC law, with reciprocity,restaurant/bar carry,exc. which wasn't in the original bill.