Zero 148g HBWC 38 sp

deleterman · May 9, 2011, 07:33 PM

these are made in Cullman,Al. has anyone used these in a 38 sp.i have loaded these but it been years and i don't have that info on loading them any more all i know is that i used Unique powder to load them -any help on this?

thanks .H.B.

**Unclenick** · May 9, 2011, 07:38 PM

The classic load was 2.7 grains of Bullseye. Unique should be about 3.0 grains.

deleterman · May 9, 2011, 08:57 PM

thank you so much for your responce , say at 3.0 gs of Unique powder what fps would that be? H.B.

Marco Califo · May 9, 2011, 09:37 PM

Pistols and Revolvers
38 Special
148 gr Speer HBWC
Minimum OAL
(inches)
Bbl Length
Primer
Powder
Charge Weight
(grains)
Velocity
(fps)
Print
1.155 6 CCI 500 Bullseye 3.1 799 View this recipe
1.155 6 CCI 500 Red Dot 3 806 View this recipe

deleterman · May 9, 2011, 10:55 PM

thanks for the responce - looking for wts for Unique powder for 148 grs hbwc -38 sp case. say under 900 fps. any takers..thanks H.B.

Marco Califo · May 9, 2011, 11:05 PM

38 load data from http://www.reloadammo.com/38loads.htm

146-148 grain LWC (Lead Wad Cutter)
Bullseye 2.8 gr. 815 FPS
Bullseye 3.1 gr. 838
Unique 3.3 gr. 815
Universal 3.8 gr. 940
Clays 2.5 gr. 836
HP38 3.8 gr. 879
No. 2 4.2 gr. ---
No. 5 6.0 gr. ---
W231 3.4 gr. 760
W231 3.1 gr. 692
540 5.2 gr. 785
ZERO AMMO (commercial) 795 (reference only)
AA #2 3.1 gr. 813
Titegroup 2.7 gr. 768

deleterman · May 10, 2011, 12:35 AM

thank you so much for the info, that has nailed it down..

H.B.

**Unclenick** · May 10, 2011, 12:30 PM

You have to watch out with wadcutters because they consume so much of the powder space under the bullet, seated as deeply as they normally are. That means the peak pressure is reached in a very small volume, and thus drops off rapidly as the bullet moves forward. You could, for example, get more velocity from Unique if you seated the bullet forward enough to allow more powder space to safely use a larger charge, but that could also have one unintended consequence: The same pressure being in a larger space requires greater total gas quantity (which the larger charge makes). That means pressure at the gun muzzle at the moment the bullet exits is also higher. With hollow base wadcutters you have to watch out that muzzle pressure doesn't get high enough to blow the hollow base open into a skirt that ruins the ballistics of the projectile. That bullet design just isn't intended for high pressure and velocity.

deleterman · May 10, 2011, 01:08 PM

thank you for the great info on wadcuters. H.B.

deleterman · May 13, 2011, 10:03 PM

loaded the 38sp cases with 3.5 grs of Unique topped off with 148gs hbwc went to the range and at 25 yds they worked like a charm..

I don't think that I would change any thing.

again thanks for all the great help..H.B.

bamaranger · May 14, 2011, 02:32 AM

Cullman is just down the road and I have shot plenty of "ZERO" bullets in times gone by, but always found them a bit soft and prone to lead.

May 9, 2011, 07:33 PM	#1
deleterman Member Join Date: March 18, 2008 Posts: 62	Zero 148g HBWC 38 sp these are made in Cullman,Al. has anyone used these in a 38 sp.i have loaded these but it been years and i don't have that info on loading them any more all i know is that i used Unique powder to load them -any help on this? thanks .H.B.

May 9, 2011, 09:37 PM	#4
Marco Califo Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2011 Location: LA (Greater Los Angeles Area) Posts: 2,598	www.AlliantPowder.com Pistols and Revolvers 38 Special 148 gr Speer HBWC Minimum OAL (inches) Bbl Length Primer Powder Charge Weight (grains) Velocity (fps) Print 1.155 6 CCI 500 Bullseye 3.1 799 View this recipe 1.155 6 CCI 500 Red Dot 3 806 View this recipe __________________ ............

May 9, 2011, 11:05 PM	#6
Marco Califo Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2011 Location: LA (Greater Los Angeles Area) Posts: 2,598	http://www.reloadammo.com/38loads.htm 38 load data from http://www.reloadammo.com/38loads.htm 146-148 grain LWC (Lead Wad Cutter) Bullseye 2.8 gr. 815 FPS Bullseye 3.1 gr. 838 Unique 3.3 gr. 815 Universal 3.8 gr. 940 Clays 2.5 gr. 836 HP38 3.8 gr. 879 No. 2 4.2 gr. --- No. 5 6.0 gr. --- W231 3.4 gr. 760 W231 3.1 gr. 692 540 5.2 gr. 785 ZERO AMMO (commercial) 795 (reference only) AA #2 3.1 gr. 813 Titegroup 2.7 gr. 768 __________________ ............

May 10, 2011, 12:30 PM	#8
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	You have to watch out with wadcutters because they consume so much of the powder space under the bullet, seated as deeply as they normally are. That means the peak pressure is reached in a very small volume, and thus drops off rapidly as the bullet moves forward. You could, for example, get more velocity from Unique if you seated the bullet forward enough to allow more powder space to safely use a larger charge, but that could also have one unintended consequence: The same pressure being in a larger space requires greater total gas quantity (which the larger charge makes). That means pressure at the gun muzzle at the moment the bullet exits is also higher. With hollow base wadcutters you have to watch out that muzzle pressure doesn't get high enough to blow the hollow base open into a skirt that ruins the ballistics of the projectile. That bullet design just isn't intended for high pressure and velocity. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

May 14, 2011, 02:32 AM	#11
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,308	plenty Cullman is just down the road and I have shot plenty of "ZERO" bullets in times gone by, but always found them a bit soft and prone to lead.

May 9, 2011, 07:38 PM	#2
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	The classic load was 2.7 grains of Bullseye. Unique should be about 3.0 grains. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

May 9, 2011, 08:57 PM	#3
deleterman Member Join Date: March 18, 2008 Posts: 62	thank you so much for your responce , say at 3.0 gs of Unique powder what fps would that be? H.B.

May 9, 2011, 10:55 PM	#5
deleterman Member Join Date: March 18, 2008 Posts: 62	thanks for the responce - looking for wts for Unique powder for 148 grs hbwc -38 sp case. say under 900 fps. any takers..thanks H.B.

May 10, 2011, 12:35 AM	#7
deleterman Member Join Date: March 18, 2008 Posts: 62	thank you so much for the info, that has nailed it down.. H.B.

May 10, 2011, 01:08 PM	#9
deleterman Member Join Date: March 18, 2008 Posts: 62	thank you for the great info on wadcuters. H.B.

May 13, 2011, 10:03 PM	#10
deleterman Member Join Date: March 18, 2008 Posts: 62	loaded the 38sp cases with 3.5 grs of Unique topped off with 148gs hbwc went to the range and at 25 yds they worked like a charm.. I don't think that I would change any thing. again thanks for all the great help..H.B.