copper plated, not fmj ?

rebs · April 11, 2012, 05:18 AM

The local indoor range started as of March 1st not allowing any lead bullets, they all must be fmj or copper plated because of lead polution he says. Has anyone else run into this ?

flyguy958 · April 11, 2012, 05:42 AM

Yep, concerns about lead in the air.

PA-Joe · April 11, 2012, 05:59 AM

For reloading you treat plated bullets just like lead ones.

Hoosier_Daddy · April 11, 2012, 06:02 AM

No lead bullets at the indoor ranges I use here in SE Michigan. One indoor range makes sure of that by limiting you to use ony ammo they provide (sell).

Jammer Six · April 11, 2012, 07:06 AM

Yes, my range does not allow lead except for .22.

BigJimP · April 11, 2012, 01:34 PM

Yes, my local indoor range ....has not allowed any lead bullets ( for centerfire calibers ) for at least the last 10 yrs...

lead bullets ...give off a lot more lead dust / and a lot more smoke...and they have to turn the ventilation system way up ...to move that smoke downrange.../ so they just said no more...

jag2 · April 11, 2012, 01:43 PM

Fairly common and in reality they are doing you a favor. Kind of like second hand smoke in bars and restaurants, it's better for you and especially the employees. I would have a problem with them only allowing their ammo, maybe I wouldn't complain if they had very fair prices. But, being a reloader I wouldn't like it. Bottom line, their business - their rules, it's as simple as that.

Jammer Six · April 11, 2012, 05:35 PM

In the one indoor range in this area that does allow lead, they keep the blowers howling, and you need a coat in there in July.

jwrowland77 · April 11, 2012, 05:41 PM

Most indoor ranges I've been to, it's the same way, either FMJ or plated. I thought that was the norm since its been like that for awhile around my area.

serf 'rett · April 11, 2012, 06:04 PM

Makes me thankful that the great state of Arkansas is 10 years behind the times

Actually, the "lead free" idea is likely good for indoor ranges.

Check out http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/wp-sol...s/2010-113.pdf

Interesting thing about the OP, is FMJ is allowed, yet don't many of the FMJ bullets have an open bottom with the lead core exposed? And doesn’t the lead vapor mostly come from the bottom of the bullet, which is exposed to the hot gases, and also perhaps the primer compounds?

g.willikers · April 12, 2012, 01:58 PM

Our local bullet supplier's main business is making and selling reloaded ammo to the local indoor ranges.
Due to all the ranges' policy of no lead, they rarely even have lead bullets in stock anymore.
So far, the outdoor ranges still allow lead bullets.
Some day, lead bullets might go the way of lead fishing sinkers.

chris in va · April 12, 2012, 07:27 PM

I can't shoot at an indoor range, too much lube smoke.

jimbob86 · April 12, 2012, 07:46 PM

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Some day, lead bullets might go the way of lead fishing sinkers.

Only if the Greentards win. Some places they have (California).

I still use lead fishing sinkers, and lead cored bullets..... and will continue to do so, so long as they are available.

GTOne · April 12, 2012, 08:16 PM

It will happen, same with lead free primers, it is on the horizon and it is just a matter of time.

dacaur · April 12, 2012, 09:57 PM

If we all had that attitude, you would be right....

Perhaps in commifornia fake studies and people crying about things they dont even understand can get lead banned, but most of the rest of the country has more sense than that, thank god....

BDS-THR · April 12, 2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbob86

Only if the Greentards win. Some places they have (California).

Not always and we are fighting back here in California.

The indoor range I shoot at uses chopped up recycled tire berm as backstop and allow shooting of lead bullets. The ventilation works well and as soon as you shoot, the smoke moves down range.

More and more ranges are migrating to recycled tires as backstops and essentially traps all the bullets in their original form. Great idea that's win-win ... do some recycling of car tires and let us shoot lead ... then recycle all the bullets twice a year ...

Jammer Six · April 12, 2012, 10:30 PM

pseudo-speciation is something children do when they're soldiers. It was never a good idea.

It looks downright silly on an adult.

It certainly doesn't reflect on the target.

You're talking about American Citizens, and an American state.

That doesn't appear to mean much to you, and that looks bad, too.

**JohnKSa** · April 12, 2012, 10:45 PM

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Actually, the "lead free" idea is likely good for indoor ranges.

Lead bullets can cause cleanup complications for the range, but they don't hurt the shooters much. The primary lead exposure to shooters from shooting comes from lead compounds in the primers that are inhaled with the discharge smoke, not from the actual bullets themselves.

As far as the range cleanup issues, even plating or jacketing doesn't really help much unless the backstop is a soft style bullet stop. The hard backstops will usually break up the bullet and expose lead even if the bullets are plated or jacketed.

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...and a lot more smoke...

This is likely the real reason for the prohibition. The lube from lead bullets does generate more smoke and that can become a problem for an indoor range--especially one with inadequate ventilation.

jimbob86 · April 13, 2012, 03:55 PM

Jammer, I'm not sure I understand you ......

..... I think you just hung a 5 Dollar word invented in some liberal arts college out there to say you don't like what I said.

Whatever. Hope you got what you paid for there.

April 11, 2012, 05:18 AM	#1
rebs Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2012 Posts: 3,881	copper plated, not fmj ? The local indoor range started as of March 1st not allowing any lead bullets, they all must be fmj or copper plated because of lead polution he says. Has anyone else run into this ?

April 11, 2012, 06:02 AM	#4
Hoosier_Daddy Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2011 Location: Lower Michigan Posts: 163	No lead bullets at the indoor ranges I use here in SE Michigan. One indoor range makes sure of that by limiting you to use ony ammo they provide (sell). Last edited by Hoosier_Daddy; April 11, 2012 at 10:57 AM.

April 11, 2012, 07:06 AM	#5
Jammer Six Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 827	Yes, my range does not allow lead except for .22. __________________ "Huh?" --Jammer Six, 1998

April 11, 2012, 05:35 PM	#8
Jammer Six Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 827	In the one indoor range in this area that does allow lead, they keep the blowers howling, and you need a coat in there in July. __________________ "Huh?" --Jammer Six, 1998

April 11, 2012, 06:04 PM	#10
serf 'rett Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2009 Location: Stuttgart, AR Posts: 1,569	Makes me thankful that the great state of Arkansas is 10 years behind the times Actually, the "lead free" idea is likely good for indoor ranges. Check out http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/wp-sol...s/2010-113.pdf Interesting thing about the OP, is FMJ is allowed, yet don't many of the FMJ bullets have an open bottom with the lead core exposed? And doesn’t the lead vapor mostly come from the bottom of the bullet, which is exposed to the hot gases, and also perhaps the primer compounds? __________________ A lack of planning on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part.

April 11, 2012, 05:42 AM	#2
flyguy958 Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2009 Location: SC Posts: 200	Yep, concerns about lead in the air.

April 11, 2012, 05:59 AM	#3
PA-Joe Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2010 Location: NEPA Posts: 909	For reloading you treat plated bullets just like lead ones.

April 11, 2012, 01:34 PM	#6
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	Yes, my local indoor range ....has not allowed any lead bullets ( for centerfire calibers ) for at least the last 10 yrs... lead bullets ...give off a lot more lead dust / and a lot more smoke...and they have to turn the ventilation system way up ...to move that smoke downrange.../ so they just said no more...

April 11, 2012, 01:43 PM	#7
jag2 Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 773	Fairly common and in reality they are doing you a favor. Kind of like second hand smoke in bars and restaurants, it's better for you and especially the employees. I would have a problem with them only allowing their ammo, maybe I wouldn't complain if they had very fair prices. But, being a reloader I wouldn't like it. Bottom line, their business - their rules, it's as simple as that.

April 11, 2012, 05:41 PM	#9
jwrowland77 Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2012 Location: Conway, Arkansas Posts: 1,398	Most indoor ranges I've been to, it's the same way, either FMJ or plated. I thought that was the norm since its been like that for awhile around my area.

April 12, 2012, 01:58 PM	#11
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	Our local bullet supplier's main business is making and selling reloaded ammo to the local indoor ranges. Due to all the ranges' policy of no lead, they rarely even have lead bullets in stock anymore. So far, the outdoor ranges still allow lead bullets. Some day, lead bullets might go the way of lead fishing sinkers. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

April 12, 2012, 07:27 PM	#12
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	I can't shoot at an indoor range, too much lube smoke.

April 12, 2012, 08:16 PM	#14
GTOne Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2011 Location: IL Posts: 210	It will happen, same with lead free primers, it is on the horizon and it is just a matter of time.

April 12, 2012, 09:57 PM	#15
dacaur Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2010 Posts: 733	If we all had that attitude, you would be right.... Perhaps in commifornia fake studies and people crying about things they dont even understand can get lead banned, but most of the rest of the country has more sense than that, thank god....

April 12, 2012, 10:30 PM	#17
Jammer Six Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 827	pseudo-speciation is something children do when they're soldiers. It was never a good idea. It looks downright silly on an adult. It certainly doesn't reflect on the target. You're talking about American Citizens, and an American state. That doesn't appear to mean much to you, and that looks bad, too. __________________ "Huh?" --Jammer Six, 1998

April 13, 2012, 03:55 PM	#19
jimbob86 Junior member Join Date: October 4, 2007 Location: All the way to NEBRASKA Posts: 8,722	Jammer, I'm not sure I understand you ...... ..... I think you just hung a 5 Dollar word invented in some liberal arts college out there to say you don't like what I said. Whatever. Hope you got what you paid for there.

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