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Old November 19, 2021, 06:18 PM   #576
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Ok this question may need it's own thread but

How if at all do we think this verdict effects the SCOTUS cases out of NY on concealed carry . Is there an argument that depending on the verdict the SCOTUS would write it's opinion differently . I don't mean there specific ruling yes/no but how it's written . Meaning if they were to rule carry outside the home is constitutional and a core right . Maybe after this verdict they still rain it in some to not have this verdict and there ruling seem to say it's time to go back to the old west days and shootouts in the streets are just something we will have to live with in the future .

Or vise versa , Maybe because of this verdict they will not rule carry is constitutional outside the home . Fearing if they rule carry outside the home is constitutional that could be misunderstood as vigilante justice is gtg .

I'm not very good at writing and I have to say the above is some of the worst I've done compared to what I'm thinking and trying to get across . IDK I just feel this could effect that case in several ways , both good and bad for carry rights in America . I know the anti's are going to be making the argument this verdict and a SCOTUS ruling in NY could set back the safety of the citizens 200years . If that kind of talk gets loud enough , the justices are going to hear it and some will be effected by it .
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Old November 19, 2021, 06:38 PM   #577
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Kyle had every right to be where he was as an American citizen to protest peacibly against bad law enforcement and carry the gun as he did for lawful self-defense as provided by Our Bill of Rights.

We need more American heroes like Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman.

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Old November 19, 2021, 06:47 PM   #578
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As the charges were all dropped, it will be interesting to see if the DA'S office orders the rifle to be returned to him.

Case is closed, shouldn't be needed as evidence any longer.

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Old November 19, 2021, 07:09 PM   #579
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The firearm is owned by Mr. black who is facing some charges of some sort I don’t I’m not sure what they all are but my guess is he never gets it back
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Old November 19, 2021, 07:22 PM   #580
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Kyle borrowed the gun from Mr. Black? The rightful gun owner doesn't get his rifle back? There's no reason for that.

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Old November 19, 2021, 07:36 PM   #581
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speculated that Binger was hoping to provoke an objection from the defense, just so that the prosecution could retort, "See how provocative pointing a gun at someone is?"
I almost wish that had happened, consider how THAT would have "helped" the prosecution's case when their witness (the guy who was shot and survived) testified under oath that he didn't get shot until after the pointed his gun at Rittenhouse!

YES, pointing a gun at someone IS a provocative action and for generations (virtually every generation since guns were invented) some one pointing a gun at you was at the very least an unfriendly act and in many cases more than sufficient justification for shooting them.

HOW IS THIS NOT COMMON KNOWLEDGE???
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Old November 19, 2021, 07:45 PM   #582
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How if at all do we think this verdict effects the SCOTUS cases out of NY on concealed carry . Is there an argument that depending on the verdict the SCOTUS would write it's opinion differently . I don't mean there specific ruling yes/no but how it's written
I don't see any connection between the two cases. Rittenhouse wasn't carrying a handgun, and he wasn't carrying concealed.

I remain of the opinion that in the NYSRPA case the Supreme Court will rule that New York's "may issue, if you show an extraordinary need" licensing system will be ruled unconstitutional.
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Old November 19, 2021, 07:46 PM   #583
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As the charges were all dropped, it will be interesting to see if the DA'S office orders the rifle to be returned to him.
The charges were not all dropped. ONE charge was dropped. On the remaining five charges, he was acquitted.

There is a difference.
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Old November 19, 2021, 07:49 PM   #584
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Kyle borrowed the gun from Mr. Black? The rightful gun owner doesn't get his rifle back? There's no reason for that.
I don't think you have been paying attention. It is my understanding that Black purchased the rifle for Rittenhouse -- using Rittenhouse's money -- and then stored the rifle for Rittenhouse at his (Black's) father's (or grandfather's) house.

Since Rittenhouse was too young to purchase a firearm on his own, Black technically (and actually) committed a straw purchase. It remains to be seen whether or not the DA's office will hammer him for that.
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Old November 19, 2021, 08:02 PM   #585
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This event sure has me reviewing each state's laws regarding self-defense. My state is similar to Wisconsin's. I may be wrong, but I think I read someplace that if a defendant successfully is judged to have used legitimate self-defense--they are also immune from future civil lawsuits in Wisconsin.
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Old November 19, 2021, 08:02 PM   #586
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I don't see any connection between the two cases. Rittenhouse wasn't carrying a handgun, and he wasn't carrying concealed.
Not to sound snarky but that seems a bit naïve . I've said this before so I'll use it again . If girls can be boys and boys can be girls ? You really don't think the anti's inside or outside the courts can't draw a straight line connecting the two cases . I asked the question before looking at any news reports of the case . I've since seen at least 3 different commentators talking about how this case is going to effect gun rights and laws moving forward . Now we both know this case has no precedent value but it does have political value and lots of it . To that point-ish In the descent in the NY case the three or four dissenting judges will mention in some way either directly or indirectly the Rittenhouse case . That's my prediction , haha but my track record on predictions in these matters has not been good lol
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Old November 19, 2021, 08:09 PM   #587
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Since Rittenhouse was too young to purchase a firearm on his own, Black technically (and actually) committed a straw purchase. It remains to be seen whether or not the DA's office will hammer him for that.
I'm not sure about that . Black may have intended to do a straw purchase but that was never completed . Kyle never actually took ownership as far as the evidence seems to show. Yes Black used Kyles money but that does not make the gun Kyles and Kyle other then the night in question never took the gun home . Kyle also according to the evidence stole or took the gun without the OK of Mr Black the night of the 25Th . Yes I know I don't by any of that either but seems like it could be arguable in court .
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Old November 19, 2021, 08:44 PM   #588
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This may not be over for Kyle:

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This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest.
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Old November 19, 2021, 08:45 PM   #589
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"There is a difference".(AB).

Valid point. Yeah, you are right... that rifle is likey out of circulation for good.
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Old November 19, 2021, 08:51 PM   #590
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Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines
Blithering as is his standard, Nadler is . . .

A simple search will show Rittenhouse did not cross state lines with a rifle.
The rifle was in Kenosha to start (and end) with.
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...g-him-kenosha/

The brainless mob cannot stand having its prey snatch from its jaws,
It will now rage in mindless fury like a rabid dog to destroy every thing and every one it encounters.

And the REAL people who brought this all on... the governors and mayors who are wont to "give them room to destroy...." stand aside out of cowardice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4pUbHdc-Ig
(Start at 1:00)
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Old November 19, 2021, 10:30 PM   #591
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Nadler lost any credibility he ever had during the pre-Brandon Administration...
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Old November 19, 2021, 10:32 PM   #592
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The concept of loosing your rights for moving around in your own country is the most worrisome part of all of this to me.
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Old November 19, 2021, 11:03 PM   #593
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The concept of loosing your rights for moving around in your own country is the most worrisome part of all of this to me.
But all of us who carry deal with that, regularly. I have a home state carry permit and non-resident permits for four other states, and there are still a dozen or more states I can't legally carry in.
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Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest.
I don't know about YOUR First Amendment,Representative Nadler, but MY First Amendment protects the Right to Peaceful Protest.

For the Citizens of Kenosha,,the "Peaceful Protest" was not any more "peaceful" than the Jan 6 "Peaceful Protest" that so alarms Congress.

IMO, Kyle Rittenhouse was far better at distinguishing who to shoot and who to not shoot than the Capitol Police who shot and killed Ashli. Who,BTW,is shielded by anonymity and not even charged.
Ashli was guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Perhaps she may have been charged with something. But she presented no mortal threat to anyone.

Yet she was killed by one of YOUR agents,Representative Nadler.

Kyle shot NO peaceful protestors. Not one.

He shot people who were trying to kill him.

The Verdict confirmed his innocence.

Statements like yours,Representative Nadler, incite violence and destruction and YOU should be held accountable.

The aftermath of the verdict should be "Its settled"

I'll give credit where its due,even President Biden agrees with that.

Lets not rekindle the wildfire. Give Kenosha a break.
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Old November 20, 2021, 01:16 AM   #595
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The trial is over, the verdict is in. So this thread is done.

If you feel you have a valid Law & Civil Rights issue to discuss, feel free to start a new thread.

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