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Old January 14, 2019, 09:41 PM   #1
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Complete Target 20" AR in 5.56/.223?

I am looking for a complete rifle solely for target work. I have no time or desire to build one. My goal is accuracy. Recommendations? Thanks.
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Old January 14, 2019, 09:47 PM   #2
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Stag has its precision uppers on sale right now at an incredible price. Buy a complete lower to go with it and you’re in target territory for under $700
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Old January 14, 2019, 10:22 PM   #3
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This would be a good start. Need to add an optic, and maybe a better trigger.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...516446246.html
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Old January 14, 2019, 11:40 PM   #4
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Bench Target?


Or High Power Service Rifle?
https://www.whiteoakarmament.com/sho...te-uppers.html
http://bisonarmory.com/national-matc...e-rifle-upper/
https://criterionbarrels.com/product...pper-receiver/
http://www.compasslake.com/index.php...index&cPath=23


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Old January 15, 2019, 12:48 AM   #5
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How accurate is enough for you?
What distances? What ammo?
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Old January 15, 2019, 06:09 AM   #6
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I have used a Colt Match Target, an Hbar, for years. i use it solely for prone shooting at the local ranges. I have always been happy with the way it shoots....sometimes even happy with how I shoot with it. The only changes to the stock gun are that I floated the barrel and added an Elftman trigger and a NM rear sight. The goto load is a Sierra 77 gr. MK. and 24 grains of RL15 in Win. factory primed brass.
The current Colt AR15A4 is similar without the heavy barrel.
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Old January 15, 2019, 05:27 PM   #7
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Without more specifics... any generic H-Bar AR would work. Spend the money on an aftermarket trigger. You didn't mention sight specifics (peeps or optic) so A2 or a flattop, either or. Just about everyone makes one, I have a Colt and it's fine, but I would be perfectly happy with a build from RRA, DD or one of the other better known builders.
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Old January 16, 2019, 09:38 AM   #8
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OP here. Sorry to be vague guys. My main purpose in for what is known as Appleseed KD. I am an Appleseed Instructor in Training. KD locally is out to 400 yards and the qualifier is to shoot 4 MOA at that with a service rifle, and service ammunition standing, sitting, and prone while using a USGI sling only. I already have a Del Ton carbine AR, so I want to upgrade and concentrate on tightening those groups. Eventually I will work out to 600 and beyond, but probably not into High Power competition. Basically I just need an excuse for another rifle and want a quality target AR without breaking the bank. I do need optics and have those covered because I can't focus on the front sight of a Carbine length AR anymore.
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Old January 16, 2019, 11:30 AM   #9
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A great platform, especially if you want to shoot CMP matches is the irons only RRA National Match A2; HERE. If you want the same capability but also the ability to remove the rear sight and handle and add a scope, RRA's National Match A4 is a great choice; HERE.

Both come setup for target shooting with 20-inch, Air Gauged, Wylde Chambered, Heavy Match Stainless Steel, Cryogenically Treated, 1:8 Twist, free floated barrels as well as a National Match ½" x ½" hooded rear sight in a detachable National Match carrry handle, National Match 0.050" front sight post, National Match tuned trigger, and a host of other features to make for an excellent target rifle.

RRA guarantees ¾" at 100yds with match ammo which is great 'out of the box' accuracy. I've had my 2 RRA ARs, an Elite CAR A4 Mid-length carbine and Standard A4 rifle since 2004 and both are excellent ARs with terrific accuracy. With a 12x scope, I use my RRA Standard A4 rifle, along with my target 68grn handloads, to shoot medium sized apples at 400yrds.
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Old January 16, 2019, 11:30 AM   #10
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I shot Rifleman with my Colt H-Bar... given the spirit of the Appleseed, any generic AR rifle should work.
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Old January 16, 2019, 12:06 PM   #11
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A great platform, especially if you want to shoot CMP matches is the irons only RRA National Match A2; HERE. If you want the same capability but also the ability to remove the rear sight and handle and add a scope, RRA's National Match A4 is a great choice; HERE.

Both come setup for target shooting with 20-inch, Air Gauged, Wylde Chambered, Heavy Match Stainless Steel, Cryogenically Treated, 1:8 Twist, free floated barrels as well as a National Match ½" x ½" hooded rear sight in a detachable National Match carrry handle, National Match 0.050" front sight post, National Match tuned trigger, and a host of other features to make for an excellent target rifle.

RRA guarantees ¾" at 100yds with match ammo which is great 'out of the box' accuracy. I've had my 2 RRA ARs, an Elite CAR A4 Mid-length carbine and Standard A4 rifle since 2004 and both are excellent ARs with terrific accuracy. With a 12x scope, I use my RRA Standard A4 rifle, along with my target 68grn handloads, to shoot medium sized apples at 400yrds.
That is very much what I am thinking. I wonder what the iron sight radius is. I can still focus on my Garand's front sight, but not a carbine length AR. The last time I shot KD I had to leave in the middle to go get a scope! I would love to be able to do it with irons. There are CMP matches not far from here as well.
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Old January 16, 2019, 12:09 PM   #12
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I shot Rifleman with my Colt H-Bar... given the spirit of the Appleseed, any generic AR rifle should work.
Very True!
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Old January 16, 2019, 03:12 PM   #13
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How much improvement in accuracy did you see when you free floated the barrel ?
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Old January 16, 2019, 08:25 PM   #14
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A great platform, especially if you want to shoot CMP matches is the irons only RRA National Match A2; HERE. If you want the same capability but also the ability to remove the rear sight and handle and add a scope, RRA's National Match A4 is a great choice; HERE.

Both come setup for target shooting with 20-inch, Air Gauged, Wylde Chambered, Heavy Match Stainless Steel, Cryogenically Treated, 1:8 Twist, free floated barrels as well as a National Match ½" x ½" hooded rear sight in a detachable National Match carrry handle, National Match 0.050" front sight post, National Match tuned trigger, and a host of other features to make for an excellent target rifle.

RRA guarantees ¾" at 100yds with match ammo which is great 'out of the box' accuracy. I've had my 2 RRA ARs, an Elite CAR A4 Mid-length carbine and Standard A4 rifle since 2004 and both are excellent ARs with terrific accuracy. With a 12x scope, I use my RRA Standard A4 rifle, along with my target 68grn handloads, to shoot medium sized apples at 400yrds.
While I am sure either of your recommendations would serve the OP well, they are listed at $500 to $600 OVER his stated budget. My suggestion from PSA would get him in the game below budget with room to add a better trigger.
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Old January 17, 2019, 11:52 AM   #15
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OP here: I think I am going to go with one of those RR. I don’t believe I stated a budget as I have budgeted about $1500, but preferably less. I have searched many sites and those seem to be the off-the-shelf ticket. I may get into CMP service rifle so I am I think going to look for a National Match. I am not one to have different rifles for every purpose basically I want a carbine AR and a target AR. So if I’m gonna do it I might as well go full on NM.
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Old January 17, 2019, 08:35 PM   #16
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My RRA 24" bull barrel has posted a 4" group at 500 yards. It is also a good running gun that never balked at any of my hand loads including Sierra tipped Match Kings in 77 grains. This is its preferred load but I also load SMK 77 grain without the tip. The 500 yard group was tipped MKs. They are both loaded to mag length.
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Old January 17, 2019, 10:06 PM   #17
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OP here: I think I am going to go with one of those RR.
Really pleased with my Rock River Varmint.
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Old January 18, 2019, 03:43 AM   #18
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That RRA has pretty much the same pedigree as the Fulton Armory Peerless. I wonder how they stack up against each other? For being so close in price, I think I would personally go with Fulton. But that's just my opinion.
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Old January 19, 2019, 01:22 PM   #19
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That RRA has pretty much the same pedigree as the Fulton Armory Peerless. I wonder how they stack up against each other? For being so close in price, I think I would personally go with Fulton. But that's just my opinion.
What makes you say the Fulton?

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Old January 19, 2019, 04:16 PM   #20
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I would look at a Larue. The top accuracy builds are often Larue barrels.
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Old January 19, 2019, 05:08 PM   #21
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My gun club purchased 4 RR match uppers for promoting our junior marksmanship programs, outstanding shooters. About 1 MOA barrels with the typical 69 or 77 gr match ammo shooting benchrest.


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Old January 21, 2019, 08:30 AM   #22
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Improvement from free floating. The windage clicks became much more consistent.
Before the float, i would shoot a group and the shot would tend left out of the 10 ring and into the 9 and 8 ring. So.....I would correct and click over just two clicks (on a NM sight). the group would move the the other side of the 10 ring. A lot of movement.
That stopped after the barrel float. Groups are much more centered. If there are fliers, it is me not the gun. Fliers, and I do shoot them, are not mostly windage fliers from sling and hand pressure on the barrel.
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Old January 21, 2019, 10:15 AM   #23
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Thank you for the reply, I will be free floating mine. Mine is a Colt match competition HB
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Old January 21, 2019, 10:18 AM   #24
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COSteve in post #9 is spot on.
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