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Old December 31, 2018, 08:21 AM   #1
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First ever failure in my SP-01. Thoughts?

I am a little disappointed to be honest as the CZ was billed as a shoot anything gun, yet yesterday I had several malfunctions in the space of one competition. In fact, these were my first ever.

I cleared the gun in the heat of a stage so I was focussed more on getting back on target, but from what I remember, there was one FTF and several misfeeds.

I don't remember it being in a particular mag, but two happened in a 16rd Mec Gar but I use these least as they are harder to grab and load than the longer 18r'ders.

I cleared the FTF by racking the slide but the misfeed required dropping the mag, clearing it and reloading a fresh one.

Things of note:
  1. New batch of ammo: Sellier and Bellot 124gr
  2. A cold bunker.
  3. Gun was a bit dirty

I had already used some of the same ammo at another comp and they'd fired fine.

I spoke to one of the RO's and she observed that S&B is a little cool as a loading and perhaps that, and the cold, meant the gun didn't cycle very well.

Suggested remedies were: clean the gun, consider new ammo, consider a lighter recoil spring.

Needless to say, I'd like to continue having the 100% faith in my CZ and the concentration of events in this one comp makes me think it is a factor, but who knows when you need to shoot, right?

Thoughts?
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Old December 31, 2018, 08:48 AM   #2
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In my experience S&B is not what I'd call cool.

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Old December 31, 2018, 09:50 PM   #3
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S&B is Czech ammo and used by CZ for testing and function. Not sure who told you CZ was a 'shoot anything' gun, my experience with multiple calibers has shown anything but except my P01 and Kadet Kit. My 97b has BROKEN twice, severe light primer strikes in my 527, etc.

The SP-01 is not a 'combat/police' pistol, and not engineered for severe reliability. Accept it's one bobble, clean it and move on.

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Old December 31, 2018, 10:12 PM   #4
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My Son has CZ SP01 and I was surprised how picky his was with certain ammo including range ammo like Federal white box where he would have numerous problems. He just blamed the ammo but whatever he had a problem with always worked just fine in my plain Jane SIG P226, which is an ammo garbage disposal, that used to irk him to no end LOL.

I have not run into a problem with my CZ SP01 Shadow yet but I use almost only Federal American Eagle and Speer Lawman.
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Old January 1, 2019, 12:35 AM   #5
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I’ve no experience with an sp01, but I had a 75 pre b once upon a time that wasn’t overly finicky. I don’t remember any failures with any ball ammo, never tried SD ammo.

I have a p07 that has taken everything I’ve given it, from my softball 9mm load (3.4 gns of 700x under a 124 gen cast bullet), to my SD ammo replication ammo (near max load of hs6), to WWB and Winchester ranger duty ammo. No malfunctions, none, in about 3k rounds.
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Old January 1, 2019, 07:19 AM   #6
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The SP-01 is not a 'combat/police' pistol, and not engineered for severe reliability. Accept it's one bobble, clean it and move on.
I guess I figured that since it is essentially a CZ 75 with a different frame configuration, it would also have the 75's level of flexibility on ammo.

But OK. I suppose that I'll have to accept it and see if things change at a different temperature.

Otherwise, I may need to consider selling. I don't like being tied in to one ammo brand because over here consistent supply is not a given.


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My shooting has taken a hit this year as time is so short, but I did a spate of competitions these last two months to make up my match points before it was too late. I succeeded!

Good to be back, though!
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Old January 1, 2019, 01:56 PM   #7
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Whenever going to a new brand of ammo, always take out barrel and plunk test it to ensure proper fit in the chamber.
Check the extractor for damage or gunk build up under it.
I doubt temperature has anything to do with the problem unless you are using stiff grease on the rails. That would slow down the slide velocity.
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Old January 7, 2019, 09:38 PM   #8
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The only problems my SP-01 has ever had was several failure to feeds from the stock 18 round mags. I only use the flat 16 round mags that come with the 75B, which I believe are mec-gar and have no problems at all.


I also wouldn't think the temperature would have any effect to be honest. I could be wrong but unless we're talking extremes in weather id rule that out.

I only use S&B 124gr for my CZ pistols and have been for about 3 years now, and I do feel like the most recent stuff I bought didn't perform per usual, but without actually testing it I cant say that for sure.
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Old January 9, 2019, 08:59 AM   #9
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I’ve only shot 124gr too, namely as 115gr is it so consistent with popper targets.

I’ll be honest though, despite not being a service pistol per se, I am surprised that the gun has been described as being pick. I’d have thought being a 75 in all but name and accessory rail would make it pretty flexible in ammo choice!!
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Old January 9, 2019, 04:45 PM   #10
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Lube wise you might consider CLP. Another synthetic lube might do deponent on what you have available in your part of the world.

Not something I though would work, but I had two guns that had issues.

One was a Kurz (?) 380 that would not ccle reloads, CLP and it did.

The other was a 3 inch magnum shotgun that wouldn't cycle 2 3/4, it was supposed to per mfg but did not. CLP and it did.

I do not use it as a cleaner, but as a lube/preservative (good to -65F!)

Sig ships their pistols at least with TW25 synthetic grease

Not sure how that works in cold temps, but there are other synthetic gun lubes though you could buy thinner car lube and try it out (I happen to get it as a bonus on some orders)

That and a clean gun of course!
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Old January 12, 2019, 02:58 PM   #11
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The SP-01 is not a 'combat/police' pistol, and not engineered for severe reliability. Accept it's one bobble, clean it and move on.
Internally, there's not much different about an SP-01 or a 75B or a P-01. They're almost all identical internally. When they are different, it's probably due to the decocker mechanism, which causes them to remove one of the hammer hooks to make room for the linkage. With the SA models, they remove the disconnector and go to a different trigger -- but the other parts are the same. And they've all been pretty darned reliable.

The newer Omega models are more different, but they also share design and most parts across all hammer-fired models.

I learned, recently, that Sellier & Bellow is now owned by a major Brazilian ammo maker, so it will soon be hard to predict where the S&B ammo you get comes from... but it should be marked on the box.

As noted above, the CZ-75 was designed using the Sellier & Bellot ammo as the round of choice.
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Old January 13, 2019, 06:05 PM   #12
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I’ve owned 4 CZs and a Dan Wesson 1911. Of those 5 only the Cz 97 accu comp from the custom shop, the Dan Wesson Specialist and the P10c were 100% reliable out of the box. The sp01 and the Shadow 2 both had FTF and FTE on a periodic basis. For the sp01 I dropped the weight of the recoil and main spring and this helped significantly. I sent the Shadow 2 back to the factory and they did some work on it. I’ve also not been very impressed with the reliability of some models out of the box. Don’t own any at the moment. May wind up owning another Dan Wesson in the next year.
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