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Old September 15, 2018, 08:59 AM   #26
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Maybe the discussion needs to shift?

Looks like there are two threads interwoven here. One has focused on the specifics of this case (valid, as it is based on a reported news story) and is rightly pointing out that the store dude should never have engaged someone and escalated a situation, especially one he clearly was not equipped to handle.

The other, more general question that the OP seems to seek an answer to, is perhaps more like: what techniques, or training, could prevent your own gun from being knocked loose in an altercation, if you are in close proximity to an attacker and cannot retreat.

Not trying to put words into anyone's mouth, but that seems to be what's being asked. "OK, given that this guy got himself into this situation, from that point onward, what could have prevented the retention issue, etc.?"

I have a kydex IWB holster. I've experimented (yes, unloaded And "Barrel Blok is a great tool for this!) with tossing my holstered gun onto the floor, or turning it upside down and whacking it. I was able to see how tight my retention screw needed to be to prevent the gun from falling out. It just meant that on the draw, I needed a decent yank to make it come free.

I had a N82 Tactical holster for a while, that had a retention mechanism requiring the gun to be twisted while drawing. I never did quite get the hang of it after many, many practice draws.

Could a safety have prevented the bad guy from firing the gun? I can't imagine there's much behind this. Who knows, but if the gun won't shoot, it's not much of a stretch to think "Hey, I'm a bad guy, and I should probably flip off this little lever right here..."

Otherwise, what training can help? I really don't know, beyond training in grappling or some form of close-quarters combat. I wonder about it often. I've not had that training. I'm in pretty good shape, but at only 40 my genetics have chosen to give me two bad knees and a bad lower back (it's a family tradition!).I'm not likely to outrun anyone, and attempting to grapple could very well just lock up my back.

I try to make a daily habit of constant situational awareness. Hey, this kind lady with a baby stroller behind me in line could be an ISIS terrorist ninja on crack. What if someone in line were to grab for my wallet? I just try to be on the lookout and practice constant vigilance. I don't want to be the one caught off guard.

I specifically DON'T return a middle finger in traffic, though I'd like to. I once saw a guy on a motorcycle flip off a guy in a pickup truck, who then took off chasing the guy on the motorcycle through a red light. No clue what may have happened there. But the wrong finger to the wrong person at the right time could lead someone into a situation where they find themselves facing a deadly threat that they created.

Same goes for punching someone in your store, I guess.

Anyways -- does anyone have specific training they've attended that was helpful in guarding yourself, or your weapon, in close quarters?
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Old September 15, 2018, 11:06 AM   #27
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In the news a manual safety on a pistol just stopped a kid from shooting his teacher. Its note worthy that a manual safety can save lives when used properly.

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