Savage 10PC

TJB101 · April 6, 2018, 07:14 AM

Hey FL folks ... I have an opportunity to acquire a 4 yo 10PC. Interested in feedback on its quality and performance. Pros and cons. From what I read the accu-trigger is stellar and heavy barrel top notch.

98 220 swift · April 6, 2018, 07:52 AM

I have one. I bought it used a couple of years ago. I wanted a accurate .308. I would have to say its not as accurate as I hoped. It will shot 3/4-1" 5 shot groups at 100 yards with my handloads. I have not shot any factory loads through it. It is very picky on its loads it likes as well. What I have found is its a excellent hunting rifle. Not too heavy but hard hitting and more than accurate enough for that. The accu trigger is ok. Not the best but pretty good for a factory trigger. For some reason my model 10 sp-sr in 6.5 creedmoor has a better trigger. (I have adj them both down as far as they will go. I would get it unless you are expecting extreme accuracy. I have seen some reports online of people shooting very well with theirs. Could be my rifle is off or maybe the other people exaggerate some. Or maybe just me.

TJB101 · April 6, 2018, 08:04 AM

Appreciate the feedback. Looking forward to reviewing it with the seller

std7mag · April 6, 2018, 08:29 PM

If the price were right it would definitely find it's way into my gun cabinet.

PlatinumCore16 · April 6, 2018, 11:43 PM

I have the 11Scout model and I love my accutrigger. Very accurate, crisp, smooth bolt, all the things.

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supercub99 · April 7, 2018, 12:15 AM

If the price is right I would not hesitate. Accustock stock, accutrigger, DBM, what’s not to like? In addition the barrel is free floated. It’s not quite as bull a barrel contour wise as a varmint contour but you do have a weight savings. Short action so you could swap barrels to several different calibers down the road, say a 6.5 xxxxxx. I have a couple in varmint barrel but all the rest is the same.
I like it.

10-96 · April 7, 2018, 02:23 AM

They didn't chamber any of those in some of those obsolete WSM or WSSM cartridges, did they? That would be a deal breaker for me. But otherwise, if it's chambered for a common ctg and if the price is right- it would be a very good option providing it was taken care of and not monkeyed with by a dremmel tool specialist.

TJB101 · April 7, 2018, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10-96

They didn't chamber any of those in some of those obsolete WSM or WSSM cartridges, did they? That would be a deal breaker for me. But otherwise, if it's chambered for a common ctg and if the price is right- it would be a very good option providing it was taken care of and not monkeyed with by a dremmel tool specialist.

This is chambered in 223. I wanted a lighter round for range and possible varmint hunting.

This will be a swap with a local guy for a rifle I have laying around that is not being used. Based on conversations so far it sounds like it has been well taken care of. I threw together a few dummy rounds and will be testing the action today.

TJB101 · April 7, 2018, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supercub99

If the price is right I would not hesitate. Accustock stock, accutrigger, DBM, what’s not to like? In addition the barrel is free floated. It’s not quite as bull a barrel contour wise as a varmint contour but you do have a weight savings. Short action so you could swap barrels to several different calibers down the road, say a 6.5 xxxxxx. I have a couple in varmint barrel but all the rest is the same.
I like it.

Thanks for the reply ... I should have mentioned that this will be a 223 model.

std7mag · April 7, 2018, 06:05 AM

Shoot i would love to find something like that in 7mm RSAUM!!!

supercub99 · April 7, 2018, 11:37 AM

.223 is a fun one. A friend has a savage entry in that and although his has the cheap stock, it shoots great. Those only were available in .223 and .308 as I’m sure you know. That was only what they offered it in, not what you can change it to. A barrel change to a .204 Ruger, 6.5 Creedmore, .243, .308 are all easy.
Go for it!!

TJB101 · April 7, 2018, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supercub99

.223 is a fun one. A friend has a savage entry in that and although his has the cheap stock, it shoots great. Those only were available in .223 and .308 as I’m sure you know. That was only what they offered it in, not what you can change it to. A barrel change to a .204 Ruger, 6.5 Creedmore, .243, .308 are all easy.
Go for it!!

Just picked it up.... sweet gun. Gonna have to read up on the accustock feature and the barrel swap you mention. I brought some dummy rounds and the trigger was sweet. Will need to learn how to swap barrels as you mentioned.

tobnpr · April 7, 2018, 07:25 PM

.384+/- boltface on the .223....
.204 is a straightforward barrel change- others like the Creedmoor, the .308 parent cartridges, etc.
will require bolthead and magazine changes.

RC20 · April 8, 2018, 11:52 AM

I have shot a lot of triggers. Timney and Jewel are two after market ones (probably a couple others as well).

The Savage Acu Trigger in the varmint type (there are 3) will go down to 1.5 lbs. That is way to light to hunt with but makes for a good target trigger if the rest works right.

And I know its pretty subjective for triggers. My view is that the Acu Trigger is just short of a match class trigger. Pretty good in other words. It has a clean crisp let off, no drag at all. Worst is it varies a bit on the lbs.

Great hunting trigger (set up heavier in my view) and its a very good casual target shooting trigger. I don't think Jewel makes on, so its Timny or there is one other (Basix Trigger 2?).

I have 3, either varmint class originally or changed to that with a spring change.

I think you could do non professional (local match) target work with it pretty well.

The Varmint Contour is not a bull but its not that far off either. In the .223 it is a Bull Plus as the caliber is so small (same contour for the 308 but the hole is bigger !)

Barrel is easy to change, I don't swap them around but I did build 3 target rifles off the actions (got the receivers and barrels at a good to very good price)

You can't get Savage barrels but there are lots of mfgs that offer Pre-fit, you take the old one off, put the new on on, head space it and no gun smith needed (basic tools about $100 or so, having a Vice helps)

Savage barrels vary from ok (1 inch or a bit more ) to pretty good at 1/2 MOA. You have to shoot them to find out and hand loads generality shoot better than factory, though there is some good factory match that is worth trying by most cartridge mfgs if you don't reload)

I like the Savage as the better ones you get a good stock, good trigger and reasonably accurate. I shoot a lot and will wear a barrel out in 5 years.

In my opinion the two best barrel makers are Shilen and Criterion. I don't have a Criterion, but the people who do and can write up a decent report say they are so close to the same as not to make a difference.

The difference between those two and the others is how much finish work is done (lapping) and how often you get a poor barrel (very low) and what they do about it (correct it)

There are some suppliers that by calibrated blanks and finish them with threads and chamber. You are dealing with two aspects to sort out.

I would go with the OEM. Norther Shooter Supply deals in both Shilen and Criterion.

TJB101 · April 8, 2018, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RC20

Savage barrels vary from ok (1 inch or a bit more ) to pretty good at 1/2 MOA. You have to shoot them to find out and hand loads generality shoot better than factory, though there is some good factory match that is worth trying by most cartridge mfgs if you don't reload)
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Thanks for the thorough notes... I do reload and looking forward to sighting this new-to-me gun in. I’ve pretty much standardized on Varget ... I’ve got a bunch of different flavors (std, mag primer, br4, at different weights) Weather is getting better in PA, hopefully in a few weeks.

I ordered a new Nikon scope that will be here on Wed.

RC20 · April 8, 2018, 07:08 PM

You are welcome. I like Savages. Ejection can be a weak point (and some have feed issue)

But the gun itself is a nice smooth action that I think is as good and often better than high prices spreads.

Savage is good about dealing with problem gun though its time consuming.

I got one and tried it and wound up with a winner as a basis for a bull barrel (target only)

Oddly the best one was the BTH that comes with Boyds Featherweight Thumbhole stock!

Chanel is easy to open up for the larger diameter (laminated works nicely), side wall is a bit thinner but not knife sharp.

Their upper line composite stocks are reported to be good. I like the wood look and the other two actions had the plastic stocks so they got upgraded.

Boyds is a very good fit (the two Boyds are not bedded). When I am shooting good with one of my good loads I can get seriously close to or a tad under 1/4 MOA.

The actions are good and the bolt head being a bit flexible allows pretty good accuracy if the barrel is up to it. Not blue print, but then a blue printed gun would be a waste on me.

I wanted to target shoot (and do it a lot) and put a lot of research and thought into how to go about it.

I did not want to wind up hitting round limits and eating up a barrel.

That is harder in the new 6 - 6.5 calibers as they will start to go around 2500 rounds. Barrels can be had for $350 or so.

98 220 swift · April 9, 2018, 08:40 AM

I should say that mine is in .308. I forgot they also made them in .233. I wouldn't mind to have one in .223.

RC20 · April 9, 2018, 10:49 AM

Both are easy on barrels.

For me the small 223 cases are hard to hold with slightly arthritic fingers.

223 gives you good barrel life and it has little if any recoil in a bolt action.

TJB101 · April 9, 2018, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RC20

223 gives you good barrel life and it has little if any recoil in a bolt action.

Yes, I’ll be interested to compare with Mini14 and AR platforms.

supercub99 · April 10, 2018, 01:08 AM

Congrats on the buy and have fun with it. Here's a short action bolt head chart for what head goes with which bolt head size. I left off the really big long action.

Short actions with a bolt face .Dia of .384 +/-
17 Remington
204 Ruger
222 Remington
223 Remington

Short actions with a bolt face .Dia of .470 +/-
225 Winchester
22/250 Remington
6mm Norma BR
243 Winchester
250 Savage
260 Remington
6.5/284 Norma
7/08 Remington
284 Winchester
300 Savage
308 Winchester
338 Federal
35 Remington
358 Winchester
6.5 Creedmoor
6.5 Lapua
6 Creedmoor

Short actions with a bolt face .Dia of .540+/-
223 WSSM
243 WSSM
25 WSSM
7mm Remington saum
7mm WSM
300 Remington saum,
300 WSM
325 WSM
350 Remington Mag.

Saltydog235 · April 12, 2018, 05:40 PM

I have one and it shoots great. I got rid of the accutrigger and replaced it with a Timney, ditched the junk factory stock and replaced it with a B&C Medalist 1012 and topped it with a Trijicon 5-20X50 Amber BAC. I shoot 165grn NBT’s over 46grn of Varget and it’s almost boring shooting to 500yds which is my ranges limit. Every deer I’ve shot at with it won a trip in my Gator and truck.

I just hate Savage’s sloppy, ugly actions.

TJB101 · April 12, 2018, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Saltydog235

Every deer I’ve shot at with it won a trip in my Gator and truck.

Gator?

PlatinumCore16 · April 12, 2018, 09:26 PM

His UTV.

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Saltydog235 · April 12, 2018, 10:16 PM

Yep, JD Gator brings them out of the woods to the truck.

SmokeyBravo307 · April 12, 2018, 10:40 PM

I have both the .223 & 308 love both of them!!!! Happy hunting and shooting bud!!!!!

April 6, 2018, 07:14 AM	#1
TJB101 Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2017 Posts: 498	Savage 10PC Hey FL folks ... I have an opportunity to acquire a 4 yo 10PC. Interested in feedback on its quality and performance. Pros and cons. From what I read the accu-trigger is stellar and heavy barrel top notch.

April 7, 2018, 12:15 AM	#6
supercub99 Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2012 Location: Alaska Posts: 146	If the price is right I would not hesitate. Accustock stock, accutrigger, DBM, what’s not to like? In addition the barrel is free floated. It’s not quite as bull a barrel contour wise as a varmint contour but you do have a weight savings. Short action so you could swap barrels to several different calibers down the road, say a 6.5 xxxxxx. I have a couple in varmint barrel but all the rest is the same. I like it. __________________ Crummy deplorable

April 7, 2018, 02:23 AM	#7
10-96 Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Location: Tx Panhandle Territory Posts: 4,159	They didn't chamber any of those in some of those obsolete WSM or WSSM cartridges, did they? That would be a deal breaker for me. But otherwise, if it's chambered for a common ctg and if the price is right- it would be a very good option providing it was taken care of and not monkeyed with by a dremmel tool specialist. __________________ Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day) I suspect a thing or two... because I've seen a thing or two.

April 7, 2018, 11:37 AM	#11
supercub99 Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2012 Location: Alaska Posts: 146	.223 is a fun one. A friend has a savage entry in that and although his has the cheap stock, it shoots great. Those only were available in .223 and .308 as I’m sure you know. That was only what they offered it in, not what you can change it to. A barrel change to a .204 Ruger, 6.5 Creedmore, .243, .308 are all easy. Go for it!! __________________ Crummy deplorable

April 7, 2018, 07:25 PM	#13
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	.384+/- boltface on the .223.... .204 is a straightforward barrel change- others like the Creedmoor, the .308 parent cartridges, etc. will require bolthead and magazine changes. __________________ Remington 700/Savage Rebarreling /Action Blueprinting 07 FFL /Mosin-Nagant Custom Shop/Bent Bolts Genuine Cerakote Applicator www.biggorillagunworks.com

April 6, 2018, 07:52 AM	#2
98 220 swift Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2015 Location: Perryville MO Posts: 426	I have one. I bought it used a couple of years ago. I wanted a accurate .308. I would have to say its not as accurate as I hoped. It will shot 3/4-1" 5 shot groups at 100 yards with my handloads. I have not shot any factory loads through it. It is very picky on its loads it likes as well. What I have found is its a excellent hunting rifle. Not too heavy but hard hitting and more than accurate enough for that. The accu trigger is ok. Not the best but pretty good for a factory trigger. For some reason my model 10 sp-sr in 6.5 creedmoor has a better trigger. (I have adj them both down as far as they will go. I would get it unless you are expecting extreme accuracy. I have seen some reports online of people shooting very well with theirs. Could be my rifle is off or maybe the other people exaggerate some. Or maybe just me.

April 6, 2018, 08:04 AM	#3
TJB101 Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2017 Posts: 498	Appreciate the feedback. Looking forward to reviewing it with the seller

April 6, 2018, 08:29 PM	#4
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	If the price were right it would definitely find it's way into my gun cabinet.

April 6, 2018, 11:43 PM	#5
PlatinumCore16 Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 424	I have the 11Scout model and I love my accutrigger. Very accurate, crisp, smooth bolt, all the things. Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk

April 7, 2018, 06:05 AM	#10
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Shoot i would love to find something like that in 7mm RSAUM!!!

April 8, 2018, 11:52 AM	#14
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,014	I have shot a lot of triggers. Timney and Jewel are two after market ones (probably a couple others as well). The Savage Acu Trigger in the varmint type (there are 3) will go down to 1.5 lbs. That is way to light to hunt with but makes for a good target trigger if the rest works right. And I know its pretty subjective for triggers. My view is that the Acu Trigger is just short of a match class trigger. Pretty good in other words. It has a clean crisp let off, no drag at all. Worst is it varies a bit on the lbs. Great hunting trigger (set up heavier in my view) and its a very good casual target shooting trigger. I don't think Jewel makes on, so its Timny or there is one other (Basix Trigger 2?). I have 3, either varmint class originally or changed to that with a spring change. I think you could do non professional (local match) target work with it pretty well. The Varmint Contour is not a bull but its not that far off either. In the .223 it is a Bull Plus as the caliber is so small (same contour for the 308 but the hole is bigger !) Barrel is easy to change, I don't swap them around but I did build 3 target rifles off the actions (got the receivers and barrels at a good to very good price) You can't get Savage barrels but there are lots of mfgs that offer Pre-fit, you take the old one off, put the new on on, head space it and no gun smith needed (basic tools about $100 or so, having a Vice helps) Savage barrels vary from ok (1 inch or a bit more ) to pretty good at 1/2 MOA. You have to shoot them to find out and hand loads generality shoot better than factory, though there is some good factory match that is worth trying by most cartridge mfgs if you don't reload) I like the Savage as the better ones you get a good stock, good trigger and reasonably accurate. I shoot a lot and will wear a barrel out in 5 years. In my opinion the two best barrel makers are Shilen and Criterion. I don't have a Criterion, but the people who do and can write up a decent report say they are so close to the same as not to make a difference. The difference between those two and the others is how much finish work is done (lapping) and how often you get a poor barrel (very low) and what they do about it (correct it) There are some suppliers that by calibrated blanks and finish them with threads and chamber. You are dealing with two aspects to sort out. I would go with the OEM. Norther Shooter Supply deals in both Shilen and Criterion. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

April 8, 2018, 07:08 PM	#16
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,014	You are welcome. I like Savages. Ejection can be a weak point (and some have feed issue) But the gun itself is a nice smooth action that I think is as good and often better than high prices spreads. Savage is good about dealing with problem gun though its time consuming. I got one and tried it and wound up with a winner as a basis for a bull barrel (target only) Oddly the best one was the BTH that comes with Boyds Featherweight Thumbhole stock! Chanel is easy to open up for the larger diameter (laminated works nicely), side wall is a bit thinner but not knife sharp. Their upper line composite stocks are reported to be good. I like the wood look and the other two actions had the plastic stocks so they got upgraded. Boyds is a very good fit (the two Boyds are not bedded). When I am shooting good with one of my good loads I can get seriously close to or a tad under 1/4 MOA. The actions are good and the bolt head being a bit flexible allows pretty good accuracy if the barrel is up to it. Not blue print, but then a blue printed gun would be a waste on me. I wanted to target shoot (and do it a lot) and put a lot of research and thought into how to go about it. I did not want to wind up hitting round limits and eating up a barrel. That is harder in the new 6 - 6.5 calibers as they will start to go around 2500 rounds. Barrels can be had for $350 or so. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

April 9, 2018, 08:40 AM	#17
98 220 swift Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2015 Location: Perryville MO Posts: 426	I should say that mine is in .308. I forgot they also made them in .233. I wouldn't mind to have one in .223.

April 9, 2018, 10:49 AM	#18
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,014	Both are easy on barrels. For me the small 223 cases are hard to hold with slightly arthritic fingers. 223 gives you good barrel life and it has little if any recoil in a bolt action. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

April 10, 2018, 01:08 AM	#20
supercub99 Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2012 Location: Alaska Posts: 146	Congrats on the buy and have fun with it. Here's a short action bolt head chart for what head goes with which bolt head size. I left off the really big long action. Short actions with a bolt face .Dia of .384 +/- 17 Remington 204 Ruger 222 Remington 223 Remington Short actions with a bolt face .Dia of .470 +/- 225 Winchester 22/250 Remington 6mm Norma BR 243 Winchester 250 Savage 260 Remington 6.5/284 Norma 7/08 Remington 284 Winchester 300 Savage 308 Winchester 338 Federal 35 Remington 358 Winchester 6.5 Creedmoor 6.5 Lapua 6 Creedmoor Short actions with a bolt face .Dia of .540+/- 223 WSSM 243 WSSM 25 WSSM 7mm Remington saum 7mm WSM 300 Remington saum, 300 WSM 325 WSM 350 Remington Mag. __________________ Crummy deplorable Last edited by supercub99; April 10, 2018 at 01:13 AM.

April 12, 2018, 05:40 PM	#21
Saltydog235 Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2010 Location: Pawleys Island Posts: 1,563	I have one and it shoots great. I got rid of the accutrigger and replaced it with a Timney, ditched the junk factory stock and replaced it with a B&C Medalist 1012 and topped it with a Trijicon 5-20X50 Amber BAC. I shoot 165grn NBT’s over 46grn of Varget and it’s almost boring shooting to 500yds which is my ranges limit. Every deer I’ve shot at with it won a trip in my Gator and truck. I just hate Savage’s sloppy, ugly actions.

April 12, 2018, 09:26 PM	#23
PlatinumCore16 Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 424	His UTV. Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk

April 12, 2018, 10:16 PM	#24
Saltydog235 Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2010 Location: Pawleys Island Posts: 1,563	Yep, JD Gator brings them out of the woods to the truck.

April 12, 2018, 10:40 PM	#25
SmokeyBravo307 Member Join Date: March 31, 2018 Posts: 32	I have both the .223 & 308 love both of them!!!! Happy hunting and shooting bud!!!!!