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December 10, 2018, 07:54 AM | #51 |
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All this talk has ignited a desire in me to get my 1917 back out to the range!
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December 10, 2018, 11:24 PM | #52 | |
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Anyway, the only reason I actually paid any notice to the round at the time was because when comparing the 9mm Federal to the 9mm Luger in that particular catalog there was a significant velocity advantage to the 9mm Federal. Maybe there was a test barrel length difference I failed to note...
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December 11, 2018, 08:33 AM | #53 |
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Or perhaps it was the particular loading that it was being compared against.
When the Pitbull/9mm R Federal was announced, any number of defensive loads were available in the same ballistic range that were being introduced partially in response to the perceived failure of the 9mm Winchester Silvertip in the Miami shootout. In fact, at the time the 9mm R was in development the same Silvertip round, with a 115-gr bullet, had a listed velocity of 1225 fps, or right in the same ballpark as the new 9mm R. The Federal Hydrashok 9mm 115 gr. load was more sedate, at 1150 fps.
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December 12, 2018, 08:19 AM | #55 |
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Beats me. May have had its genesis in the early days of American 9mm production post WW I.
For some reason American companies all adopted pretty sedate loadings even though German 9mm ammo suitable for use in the Luger was quite a bit more powerful. Underloaded American ammo was the genesis of the entire Light Rifle fiasco that nearly finished off Smith & Wesson in 1940. It wasn't until, IIRC, the 1970s or 1980s that you could actually get US loadings that were a LOT closer to the ballistics churned out by European loads. For whatever reason, American companies also soft loaded rounds like the 7mm and 8mm Mauser starting around the same time.
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December 18, 2018, 09:25 AM | #56 | |
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http://www.darkcanyon.net/MyFriend_The357.htm Note he used the Lyman 358156, a SWC design that had two crimp grooves. He'd load the .357-in-.38-cases with it crimped in the lower groove. This gave him more case volume to work with. These loads were way more powerful than any .38, but not his hottest loads which were put up in .357 cases. It can be done, and I've done it for the sake of experiment. But given an ample supply of .357 brass Skeeter wouldn't have. He did it more out of necessity, as post-war .357 brass was scarce. What he had he saved for full-power loads. |
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