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May 27, 2018, 10:19 PM | #26 |
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The barrel on the old 30-06 is shot, its been used a TON! Including when my father used it in matches. Or at least the gunsmith examined the rifle and said the barrel looks like its been shot out.
Now I know the new Kool-aid is the 6.5 creed. I imagine this helps with my bullet selection. Any recommendations for bullet selection? What do you all use? I have been a fan of matchkings and the accubond LR. But still haven't decided for sure. And thanks for all the advice! |
May 27, 2018, 10:31 PM | #27 |
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Lots of choices in the 6.5mm bullet selection. Sierra MatchKing, and Tipped MatchKing. Hornady ELDM ( the old AMAX bullet with a new tip), and Hornady Match. Nosler Match. Berger makes several types of match bullets, including the VLD. Lapua Scenar. For hunting there are even more. I've heard the 6.5 Creedmore called the 6.5 Manbun on other forums. Only suitable for guys with manbuns. Only thing it does that 260 Rem doesn't do better is fit long heavy bullets into an AR magazine.
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May 28, 2018, 12:52 AM | #28 |
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Haha 6.5 manbun
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May 28, 2018, 12:53 AM | #29 |
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I am very impressed with the nosler rdf bullets I have run some test on that round and it seems to be a great long range bullet. Besides that I think for hunting I am unfamiliar with the eldx, but would like to do some testing on it. What rounds do y'all like in the 6.5 for hunting? I don't plan on using this besides for some deer or sheep if the chance comes.
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May 28, 2018, 07:14 AM | #30 |
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Brazilian,
Pretty much any of the premium hunting bullets will do well. I shoot mostly 25 caliber and 7mm. The Berger VLD Hunting have done really well for me. The Nosler Ballistic Tip has worked well also. Lots of people like the Hornady ELDX in the 6.5mm. For some reason the Nosler ABLR doesn't get a lot of love. It is my go to bullet for my 7mm Rem Mag and my 284 Win. According to Nosler it will expand down to 1,300 fps. Which gives a longer mechanical hunting distance.
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May 29, 2018, 01:52 PM | #32 |
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The OP went from Target to Sheep hunting.
Probably a good 1st idea is trade or sale Mauser and use money for more suitable rifle or action to build on. I've been through the custom Mauser builds and they tend to be heavier than a commercial action you can go buy mostly. I also have a love for Mauser actions that keep me building on them, but I don't shoot Long range too often, and I do not hunt sheep. If your father shot this rifle in matches, it seems to me you'd consider rebarreling in same cartridge and shoot. If your looking for a superb cartridge to shoot 6.5 bullets, use the 6.5 PRC, SAUM, Creedmoor, 6.5 magnum, .264 win mag, 6.5/55 sweet, .260 rem, these are the cream of .264 cal. cartridges. As for manbun comments about my handy little Creedmoor cartridge and rifle that shoots it, If you cannot spell it right then don't bother picking on it anyway....
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May 29, 2018, 02:54 PM | #33 |
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If it was used enough to shoot out a .30-'06 barrel, and you want to keep shooting it as much, then if you switch to 6.5 Creedmore, ya may as well buy 5 or 7 extra/spare barrels while you're at it.
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I'd not use a long cartridge. Lots of good options for shorter cartridges in the long action. Something in 6.5 caliber would be a good place to start.
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May 31, 2018, 07:21 PM | #35 |
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rebarrel
If the barrel really is toast, I think I would just rebarrel it in '06. Especially if that's the way your Dad ran it.
Brass is common, as are .30 slugs. The '06 will do 1000 yds, not as flat as the 6.5CM and others, but as flat as .308, which is commonly shot to 1000 yds competitively. One thousand is a long way, and 1000 yd ranges are not all that common anyhow. And the '06 will take any deer or other NA critter you choose. A 6.5-06 would be a wildcat proposition, forming cases, trimming cases, which is fine, but only if that is how you want to spend your time. It is also terribly overbore, and if you shot it much in strings, I don't think your barrel life would be long, ie, not as long as a .308 or ;06 shot competitively. And it would burn more powder to get useful 6.5 velocities than a SA cartridge like the 6.5CM. |
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The best groups that I've ever shot were with an E.R.Shaw barrel,and I installed another barrel on a friends rifle that shoots almost as good. I have barrels from many custom barrel makers,and the Shaw barrels that I have will shoot right with any of the others no matter if they're button rifled or cut rifled barrels. I can remember when everyone used to think Savage rifles were junk too! |
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Stop over-thinking this. The easy answer is the 270 Win:
- Brass is so abundant it's basically free, and no fire-forming, neck turning, etc. - You can shoot EXTREMELY high BC 150 grain bullets with ease. - Recoil is minimal. - Factory ammo is easy to find in a pinch. - There's tons of load data available. And the list goes on.
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Std. LA cartridge for long range?
.270 Win./150 gr. Conventional Hunting bullets will get you meat to 400 yards, steel to 600, and paper to 1,000. ...and the AccuBond LR will stretch that considerably, and is still supersonic out to 1,700. For a wildcat? 6.5-06/140 gr. out of a 24" 1:8 twist Bbl. Red Last edited by Red Devil; June 17, 2018 at 01:15 PM. |
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This. My only variation would be that his assessment of the capabilities of the 270 with hunting bullets are too short. Not theory either. I have done it a number of times. It gets meat to 850 (did it, 4 times) Steel to 1000 (did that too, using 150 grain FLAT BASE bullets on 12" Steel squares at 1000) and paper to about the range you go trans-sonic. As Red Devil said, that's just about a mile with the best B.Cs available in the .277" size. I do not think the 270 is the perfect choice for a long range target round, but it's much closer than most people think. Last edited by Wyosmith; June 17, 2018 at 01:41 PM. |
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A barrel threaded for a brake, or suppressor would be my first suggestion. If you do not want to go go the 6.mm route then I would go with .300 Win. Mag. with a twist rate that will stabilize the 200 grain bullets. With a brake on a heavy barrel recoil will not be much of a factor. Otherwise 6.5x55 is a good one.
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Some good ideas here but some are borderline in their validity. Roy Weatherby once famously stated that the best hunting round would be anywhere 6.5mm to 7mm. His .270 round at .277 is almost exactly 7mm. The Remington 7mm mag (.284) is the long action round that you want for flat long distance shooting but you'll need to change to a magnum bolt face.
Since you are putting a new barrel on the 30-06, I understand why you are specifying long action but there are still many options available to you. Keep in mind what Roy Weatherby said, the guy was pretty sharp. Just for info, my long range rifles are a Browning X-Bolt Hells Canyon Speed in .300 WSM and a McMillan G30 (SA) Dynasty in .270 WSM. My backup is my Win Model 70 Featherweight in 30-06 and the one with the most kills is a pre-64 Model 94 Winchester in 30-30 with iron sights. Don't forget to save some cash for Optics, next to caliber they are the most important item for your rifle if you're going long. Last edited by LineStretcher; June 17, 2018 at 05:58 PM. |
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Red Devil,
6.5-06 is no longer a wildcat. A-Square did the SAAMI approval on it.
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June 18, 2018, 06:36 AM | #43 |
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Last time I check Berger is making 170gr bullet for the 270.
http://www.bergerbullets.com/introdu...-elite-hunter/ Matrix is making 165gr hunting bullet for 270's, they are little hard to get. You may not see that 170gr bullet in a match.
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JM40, you need to re-check your 270 Data.
Out of my 24 in Model 70, using Hornady 150 Gr (IB or SST), my MV is 2874 FPS It doesnt go sub sonic until 1550 yards, Drop at 1000 is 26.9 Min, and the 10 MPH FV wind correction is 6.6 Min. The New Horn 145 Gn ELD-X is suppose to be better but I havent tried it yet. The 270 Win, (now that there are better bullets on the market) is an extrememly good long range Hunting or Target round. In talking to the Hornady engineers, I was told their bullets work (as hunting bullets) quite well to about 1600 fps. My loads (measured several times on the Lap Pro Radar) tell me my remaining velocity of 1600 FPS is just beyond 900 yards, meaning it will compete with any of the long range hunting rounds out there at reasonable ethical hunting ranges. We all have our favorite rounds that work well based on our expierence, but before we can condem one's choice, we really should do the math. If, for hunting where deer size animals would be the largest, dont discount the 243 Win. I built my wife a 243 on a Model 70 long action and she picked up a nice mulie year before last at 547 yards. Personally my light rifle is a Model 70 Featherweight in 257 Roberts, but I will admit her 243 is a bit more accurate. Don't discount the 6.5 CM. The last couple years I've been playing with them and I'm quite impressed, both for long range Target and Hunting. Granted both my 6.5s are SAs but my main target rifle is a LA Model 70 in 308 Win. If the 308 will work in a LA I see no reason why the 6.5 CM wont. The only thing wrong with the 6.5 CM I've found is I havent got a Model 70 6.5 CM YET.
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Point being that, currently, neither Factory rifles nor ammunition is being manufactured for it, and A-Square itself is defunct. Custom/handload proposition. A 1:8 twist rifle in 260 REM would be as nicely in a short action. Red |
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A custom barrel/twist would do the trick. Might blow it out to an A.I. as well, to help keep the muzzle velocity over 2800 or so. Red |
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Red, Op is going to replace barrel. I haven't seen anything where Hornady is making ELD 170gr bullet for 270"s.
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It was after the period this rifle was made when they started making the Model 70 in SAs. Well after USRAs took over Winchester. Not sure of the exact date.
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