So Much For, "Buy a 9mm Cause You Can Always Find Ammo For It" - Page 3

ghbucky · July 27, 2020, 08:07 AM

From my observations, if you want a caliber that is always available, go with 6.5 creedmor for rifle and 10mm for handgun.

Those are about the only calibers I see still available.

wild cat mccane · July 27, 2020, 09:30 AM

Agreed with whoever said every gun owner they knew of had too much ammo after a shortage.

There is no lack of fear of having people buy more than is reasonable.

seanc · July 27, 2020, 10:56 AM

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Agreed with whoever said every gun owner they knew of had too much ammo after a shortage.

There is no lack of fear of having people buy more than is reasonable.

Neither of those sentences make any sense. Too much ammo? For what? If my rent is paid and my family isn't starving, I don't have too much ammo. I also stocked up before/between the panic(s). I have what I want and what my anticipated need is: I have enough, for now. Who says what's reasonable? Be careful of what limits you're implying.

jetinteriorguy · July 27, 2020, 12:19 PM

I have way more than is reasonable, unless I shoot it all up. Then it wasn’t enough.

CDW4ME · July 27, 2020, 12:36 PM

One thing about 10mm - I can handload regular "old tech" JHP bullets like Nosler 150/180 and they will expand nicely at 1,400 and over 1,200 fps - I've tested.

10mm velocity be like that.

dgang · July 27, 2020, 01:27 PM

Only difference the shortages have made for me is I'm now using SRP for my .357 and .38 (out of a .357) and saving the SPP for the other loads. I'll start worrying when I'm down to my last 1k of pistol and 1k of rifle primers and last few pounds of powder. Had to start using H335 for the .45/70, can't find any H4198 on the market. Other than that good to go.

Ibmikey · July 27, 2020, 03:49 PM

I just go to my cans of ammo that I have been filling for years when I need to shoot. When the .22 shortage hit I had over 30,000, 223 today no sweat....just gave 500 9mm to a friend who had none.....Be prepared....I remember from my scout days.

scoobysnacker · July 27, 2020, 09:44 PM

Out of curiosity, has there been a run on Berdan primers yet? I seem to remember somebody saying you COULD reload steel cases, it was just a PITA.

For us guys with Makarovs, AK's, SKS's, and things like the roller-block guns that happily eat 308 steel, it may one day become a useful item.

Timeless · July 28, 2020, 09:10 AM

While there is a shortage of easily available ammo locally, if you look online you can still find them.

Just the last two weeks I found 1000 rounds of 556 for $500, 500 rounds of 38 special for $169, and 500 rounds of 9mm for $170.

RETG · July 28, 2020, 09:19 AM

I walked into a store yesterday and purchased six boxes of 9mm, six of .40, and one of .44 mag.

Didn't realize there was supposed to be an ammo shortage.

seanc · July 28, 2020, 10:19 AM

SD ammo is still available and at "pre-panic" prices as far as I can tell. That has to be the #1 concern. Range ammo is important for practice, but I can practice with .22LR or pellet guns, which I am, and luckily, I'm still able to hit the range twice a month too. The only unanticipated disruption eating into my ammo supply is my son's newfound desire to go to the range with me.

reddog81 · July 28, 2020, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by scoobysnacker

Out of curiosity, has there been a run on Berdan primers yet? I seem to remember somebody saying you COULD reload steel cases, it was just a PITA.

For us guys with Makarovs, AK's, SKS's, and things like the roller-block guns that happily eat 308 steel, it may one day become a useful item.

Berdan primers aren't easy to find during normal times.

laytonj1 · July 28, 2020, 04:10 PM

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Didn't realize there was supposed to be an ammo shortage.

Sorry you got left out

I can find 9mm, 40 and 45 here but the prices are painful.

Jim

langenc · July 28, 2020, 05:39 PM

I said before and now--take your next (or last) check and buy at least 1000
rounds of a couple ammos.. or use savings since there is no interest might as well 'invest it'.

If you do reload a few pounds of powder and couple thousand primers and bullets.

Then shoot when ever you wish but dont get under 500 or so on the ammo before another buy. We would think Obama taught us something but we are slow learners.

As far as prices being 'painful' they wont go down and that is aided/abetted by the free $$$$. Just think what your grandkids will pay for 9mm...

My Dad said when he and Mom married (Sept 1931) you could buy a pork loin for 50 CENTS (the whole thing). Problem was-no one had 50 cents.

Turkey was $1.00/pound when he was teenager. They had chicken for Thanksgiving. Never asked what they cost, darn it.

FrankenMauser · July 28, 2020, 08:56 PM

I just helped someone locate 2,000 rounds of .303 Savage, at discounted pricing.

I don't see what the problem is...

gnystrom · July 29, 2020, 09:42 AM

Interesting trun of events. I have a local police supply distributor/retail warehouse and that is where I can buy SD ammo in boxes of 50 for less than the same ammo packaged in 20 round boxes at most LGS.
They also noirmally have cases of "training ammo" of all calibers on the shelves at all times even when others are out, think 2012 election time.
Yesterday I drove over for a box of .45 SD loads. The had three on the shelf and not much else. The clerk told me she they had never seen a supply chain so disrupted.
I bought one and left two remaining for the next guy. 50 rds Speer 230 gr. Gold Dot $29.99/bx.
Glad I made the decision to reload thirty years ago.

scoobysnacker · July 29, 2020, 11:40 AM

I think, in addition to the supply chain being messed up, there's just a mad buying frenzy going on too.

I've gotten emails for zip guns, AR style shotguns, today I got an email for SKS promags. These are things we gun owners consider novelties... but right now they're flying off the shelves. There are people who are buying anything they can get their hands on.

dontcatchmany · July 29, 2020, 03:01 PM

What I learned during a previous ammo shortage was to get more 40 S&W handguns and get get a 9mm and a 357 Sig barrel for each.

Now I have 4 40s with 9mm and 357 Sig and appropriate magazines.

While I have ample 9mm (I do not carry it and it is a backup just in case) practice and SD, I can find 40 and 357 Sig very readily. Just got a bunch in (as well as some 9mm) today.

All of my 40s are convertible to all 3 calibers. If you can not find one or two of the calibers you have a third for the same platform. If they all dry up you, like myself, will wish you had started hand loading.

I do not regret my choices. Even the durn Gluck 27 which has been a nightmare for several years may finally be fixed to a point I can trust it for some form of self defense. Going through a 500+ round retesting of all 3 calibers in it before it gets trusted with my and/or my loved ones lives.

jimku · July 29, 2020, 03:02 PM

Just turn on your TV for 5 minutes and there is plenty of reason to have a gun right there in plain sight.
More senseless violence than I have ever seen in my 72-year lifetime.
I haven't seen any statistics on concealed carry permits but I will bet that applications for those has gone through the roof just like the demand for guns and ammo.

stephen426 · July 30, 2020, 09:24 AM

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ammu...-ammo/?cgid=78

Wow... practice 9mm is up to $.90 per round on Cheaper than dirt. I really think it might be time to sell off some ammo. Going to see how things look on gunbroker.

**JohnKSa** · July 31, 2020, 12:13 AM

I will never, ever buy anything from CTD. Their name is a lie unless you believe that "Cheaper Than" means the same thing as "Treat Your Customers Like".

What you see is par for the course. You can always count on them to react just like that as soon as there's even the hint that supply is not keeping up with demand.

stephen426 · July 31, 2020, 09:38 AM

John,

I respect your position, but I buy from whoever has what I want at the price I want to pay. When supply is scarce, prices usually go up. I certainly would not pay $.90 per round for standard 9mm fmj ammo.

**Aguila Blanca** · July 31, 2020, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stephen426

John,

I respect your position, but I buy from whoever has what I want at the price I want to pay. When supply is scarce, prices usually go up. I certainly would not pay $.90 per round for standard 9mm fmj ammo.

Please let us know of Cheaper Than Dirt ever has a price you want to pay.

CTD went on my "never, ever, no how, no way" list at least ten or fifteen years ago. There is nothing "cheap" about their prices, and they are notorious for gouging. That's all JohnKSa was trying to convey.

jimku · July 31, 2020, 12:29 PM

I don't even bother to look on CTD for anything.

mr bolo · July 31, 2020, 01:28 PM

when TSHTF dont rely on gun stores to have what you need, it's the same with food / rations , you have to be prepared at all times

most people are just too use to having everything so easy & convenient , dont know how to cook, too lazy always ordering take out, the pandemic also had an effect on that, you better learn how to cook or stock extra food in case of a lockdown, or civil unrest.

too much easy living has made people "soft"

July 27, 2020, 12:36 PM	#55
CDW4ME Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 1,321	One thing about 10mm - I can handload regular "old tech" JHP bullets like Nosler 150/180 and they will expand nicely at 1,400 and over 1,200 fps - I've tested. 10mm velocity be like that. __________________ Strive to carry the handgun you would want anywhere, everywhere; forget that good area bullcrap. "Wouldn't want to / Nobody volunteer to" get shot by _____ is not indicative of quickly incapacitating.

July 27, 2020, 01:27 PM	#56
dgang Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 204	Only difference the shortages have made for me is I'm now using SRP for my .357 and .38 (out of a .357) and saving the SPP for the other loads. I'll start worrying when I'm down to my last 1k of pistol and 1k of rifle primers and last few pounds of powder. Had to start using H335 for the .45/70, can't find any H4198 on the market. Other than that good to go. __________________ I shoot, therefore I am.

July 28, 2020, 09:10 AM	#59
Timeless Junior Member Join Date: July 31, 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 11	While there is a shortage of easily available ammo locally, if you look online you can still find them. Just the last two weeks I found 1000 rounds of 556 for $500, 500 rounds of 38 special for $169, and 500 rounds of 9mm for $170. __________________ SIG P226 Legion SAO / SIG P938 (Mine) /Taurus G3 (desk gun) S&W M&P Sport II OR (First AR!) S&W 640 Pro (Wife's) NRA Lifer

July 28, 2020, 09:19 AM	#60
RETG Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2009 Location: Somewhere in Idaho, near WY Posts: 507	I walked into a store yesterday and purchased six boxes of 9mm, six of .40, and one of .44 mag. Didn't realize there was supposed to be an ammo shortage. __________________ I give MY OPINION (not often) based on many years shooting at, other than paper targets. I will not debate my experience vs. your experience based on dreams and "what ifs." I'm 73; I'm too damn old to care.

July 28, 2020, 08:56 PM	#65
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	I just helped someone locate 2,000 rounds of .303 Savage, at discounted pricing. I don't see what the problem is... __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

July 27, 2020, 08:07 AM	#51
ghbucky Senior Member Join Date: June 12, 2020 Posts: 1,177	From my observations, if you want a caliber that is always available, go with 6.5 creedmor for rifle and 10mm for handgun. Those are about the only calibers I see still available.

July 27, 2020, 09:30 AM	#52
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,623	Agreed with whoever said every gun owner they knew of had too much ammo after a shortage. There is no lack of fear of having people buy more than is reasonable.

July 27, 2020, 12:19 PM	#54
jetinteriorguy Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2013 Posts: 3,173	I have way more than is reasonable, unless I shoot it all up. Then it wasn’t enough.

July 27, 2020, 03:49 PM	#57
Ibmikey Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2013 Location: Now relocated to Texas Posts: 2,943	I just go to my cans of ammo that I have been filling for years when I need to shoot. When the .22 shortage hit I had over 30,000, 223 today no sweat....just gave 500 9mm to a friend who had none.....Be prepared....I remember from my scout days.

July 27, 2020, 09:44 PM	#58
scoobysnacker Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2015 Posts: 235	Out of curiosity, has there been a run on Berdan primers yet? I seem to remember somebody saying you COULD reload steel cases, it was just a PITA. For us guys with Makarovs, AK's, SKS's, and things like the roller-block guns that happily eat 308 steel, it may one day become a useful item.

July 28, 2020, 10:19 AM	#61
seanc Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 1998 Posts: 590	SD ammo is still available and at "pre-panic" prices as far as I can tell. That has to be the #1 concern. Range ammo is important for practice, but I can practice with .22LR or pellet guns, which I am, and luckily, I'm still able to hit the range twice a month too. The only unanticipated disruption eating into my ammo supply is my son's newfound desire to go to the range with me.

July 28, 2020, 05:39 PM	#64
langenc Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2007 Location: Montmorency Co, MI Posts: 1,551	I said before and now--take your next (or last) check and buy at least 1000 rounds of a couple ammos.. or use savings since there is no interest might as well 'invest it'. If you do reload a few pounds of powder and couple thousand primers and bullets. Then shoot when ever you wish but dont get under 500 or so on the ammo before another buy. We would think Obama taught us something but we are slow learners. As far as prices being 'painful' they wont go down and that is aided/abetted by the free $$$$. Just think what your grandkids will pay for 9mm... My Dad said when he and Mom married (Sept 1931) you could buy a pork loin for 50 CENTS (the whole thing). Problem was-no one had 50 cents. Turkey was $1.00/pound when he was teenager. They had chicken for Thanksgiving. Never asked what they cost, darn it.

July 29, 2020, 09:42 AM	#66
gnystrom Senior Member Join Date: July 30, 2006 Posts: 308	Interesting trun of events. I have a local police supply distributor/retail warehouse and that is where I can buy SD ammo in boxes of 50 for less than the same ammo packaged in 20 round boxes at most LGS. They also noirmally have cases of "training ammo" of all calibers on the shelves at all times even when others are out, think 2012 election time. Yesterday I drove over for a box of .45 SD loads. The had three on the shelf and not much else. The clerk told me she they had never seen a supply chain so disrupted. I bought one and left two remaining for the next guy. 50 rds Speer 230 gr. Gold Dot $29.99/bx. Glad I made the decision to reload thirty years ago.

July 29, 2020, 11:40 AM	#67
scoobysnacker Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2015 Posts: 235	I think, in addition to the supply chain being messed up, there's just a mad buying frenzy going on too. I've gotten emails for zip guns, AR style shotguns, today I got an email for SKS promags. These are things we gun owners consider novelties... but right now they're flying off the shelves. There are people who are buying anything they can get their hands on.

July 29, 2020, 03:01 PM	#68
dontcatchmany Senior Member Join Date: July 19, 2010 Posts: 460	What I learned during a previous ammo shortage was to get more 40 S&W handguns and get get a 9mm and a 357 Sig barrel for each. Now I have 4 40s with 9mm and 357 Sig and appropriate magazines. While I have ample 9mm (I do not carry it and it is a backup just in case) practice and SD, I can find 40 and 357 Sig very readily. Just got a bunch in (as well as some 9mm) today. All of my 40s are convertible to all 3 calibers. If you can not find one or two of the calibers you have a third for the same platform. If they all dry up you, like myself, will wish you had started hand loading. I do not regret my choices. Even the durn Gluck 27 which has been a nightmare for several years may finally be fixed to a point I can trust it for some form of self defense. Going through a 500+ round retesting of all 3 calibers in it before it gets trusted with my and/or my loved ones lives.

July 29, 2020, 03:02 PM	#69
jimku Junior member Join Date: January 2, 2017 Posts: 291	Just turn on your TV for 5 minutes and there is plenty of reason to have a gun right there in plain sight. More senseless violence than I have ever seen in my 72-year lifetime. I haven't seen any statistics on concealed carry permits but I will bet that applications for those has gone through the roof just like the demand for guns and ammo.

July 30, 2020, 09:24 AM	#70
stephen426 Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2005 Posts: 3,840	https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ammu...-ammo/?cgid=78 Wow... practice 9mm is up to $.90 per round on Cheaper than dirt. I really think it might be time to sell off some ammo. Going to see how things look on gunbroker. __________________ The ATF should be a convenience store instead of a government agency!

July 31, 2020, 12:13 AM	#71
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,972	I will never, ever buy anything from CTD. Their name is a lie unless you believe that "Cheaper Than" means the same thing as "Treat Your Customers Like". What you see is par for the course. You can always count on them to react just like that as soon as there's even the hint that supply is not keeping up with demand. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

July 31, 2020, 09:38 AM	#72
stephen426 Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2005 Posts: 3,840	John, I respect your position, but I buy from whoever has what I want at the price I want to pay. When supply is scarce, prices usually go up. I certainly would not pay $.90 per round for standard 9mm fmj ammo. __________________ The ATF should be a convenience store instead of a government agency!

July 31, 2020, 12:29 PM	#74
jimku Junior member Join Date: January 2, 2017 Posts: 291	I don't even bother to look on CTD for anything.

July 31, 2020, 01:28 PM	#75
mr bolo Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2012 Posts: 432	when TSHTF dont rely on gun stores to have what you need, it's the same with food / rations , you have to be prepared at all times most people are just too use to having everything so easy & convenient , dont know how to cook, too lazy always ordering take out, the pandemic also had an effect on that, you better learn how to cook or stock extra food in case of a lockdown, or civil unrest. too much easy living has made people "soft"