My new pistol, tampered with before received. Still a mystery. - Page 2

reddog81 · February 21, 2021, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChasHam

Occam's Razor says it was the FFL. Can't imagine a factory saboteur...

Occam’s Razor would suggest a ham fisted employee at the factory. Why would the FFL be disassembling the gun and messing with parts?

FunGramps · February 21, 2021, 08:24 PM

I'm not certain, but it seem like I ordered the gun in 2005 or 2006.

dksck · February 21, 2021, 08:25 PM

Sorry to hear about your problem. Having worked in places on both ends of the situation, the "most likely probable" senario is that the pistol arrived at your dealer's place just fine. But then some jerk who works there, maybe even the manager of the department or store manager (it is unlikely anyone else could get the pistol out of the store without being noticed) decided to "try out" your new firearm. After all, he'll probably never have another chance to "try out" a Coonan. So he takes it out of the safe-room, or wherever they keep the firearms not on display, certainly without logging it out because he intends to bring it right back. So he gets to the place he is going to try it out and fires off a few rounds, but that's not good enough for him. He really wants to know how good these "things" are, so he tries a few +P rounds. That goes pretty good, so he decides he's really going to "test it," so he loads up some +P+ or hot handloads to really give it a work out! That's when things go bad. A couple of round might have worked fine, but after a couple of the hottest things he could get his hand on, the pistol begins to malfunction. He immediately stops and rushes home. He takes it apart, if he can get it apart, and discoveres the damage he has caused. More panic. He decides that he can fix it or knows someone, most likely one of the other "good" customers who can "fix it." So after some grinding and other fine craftsman-ship, this guy cleans it up as good as he can, puts it back in the box and then takes it back to the store where he slips it back on the shelf, confident in the knowledge that no one will ever detect the damage and if they do, well, he'll just blame the manufacturer. Why do I suspect this was the case? Had it happen at least three times at stores where I worked. Once again, sorry about your problem, but if there is a "moral" to the story it is -- Do not allow any firearm that you order to sit in a store for more than a few hours and, if possible" always insist that the outer box and/or wrapping not be opened until you arrive. Now, some ffl will not agree to receive an item if you insist on this last one, but if they refuse, just walk away and find another ffl who understands the issue.

FunGramps · February 21, 2021, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dogtown tom

I've never heard of cyclic rate so fast that you couldn't tell when more than one round fires.

I'll bet.
I'd be interested to know how such alterations to a semi auto pistol was done that allowed only two rounds at a time to fire. Usually when someone monkey with the sear the firearm empties the entire magazine.

I would put my money on it being Coonan. Dan Coonan was happily taking buyers $$$$ right up until they shut their doors. Those buyers never got their guns, never got a refund.

All I know is that it cycled those two rounds so fast that I thought I'd only fired one into the ceiling. And the second shot felt the same...and into the ceiling.
If the entire magazine went full auto I would have soiled myself, and been kicked off the range. They wouldn't even allow what they considered rapid fire with any gun.

Carl the Floor Walker · February 22, 2021, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogtown tom

I've never heard of cyclic rate so fast that you couldn't tell when more than one round fires.

I'll bet.
I'd be interested to know how such alterations to a semi auto pistol was done that allowed only two rounds at a time to fire. Usually when someone monkey with the sear the firearm empties the entire magazine.

I would put my money on it being Coonan. Dan Coonan was happily taking buyers $$$$ right up until they shut their doors. Those buyers never got their guns, never got a refund.

I believe that was right after his wife took over the company. (through divorce or death I cannot remember)

February 21, 2021, 08:24 PM	#27
FunGramps Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2018 Location: Leftern Washington Posts: 240	I'm not certain, but it seem like I ordered the gun in 2005 or 2006. __________________ Finding a wise liberal is as easy as inventing perpetual motion.

February 21, 2021, 08:25 PM	#28
dksck Junior Member Join Date: May 4, 2014 Posts: 5	Sorry to hear about your problem. Having worked in places on both ends of the situation, the "most likely probable" senario is that the pistol arrived at your dealer's place just fine. But then some jerk who works there, maybe even the manager of the department or store manager (it is unlikely anyone else could get the pistol out of the store without being noticed) decided to "try out" your new firearm. After all, he'll probably never have another chance to "try out" a Coonan. So he takes it out of the safe-room, or wherever they keep the firearms not on display, certainly without logging it out because he intends to bring it right back. So he gets to the place he is going to try it out and fires off a few rounds, but that's not good enough for him. He really wants to know how good these "things" are, so he tries a few +P rounds. That goes pretty good, so he decides he's really going to "test it," so he loads up some +P+ or hot handloads to really give it a work out! That's when things go bad. A couple of round might have worked fine, but after a couple of the hottest things he could get his hand on, the pistol begins to malfunction. He immediately stops and rushes home. He takes it apart, if he can get it apart, and discoveres the damage he has caused. More panic. He decides that he can fix it or knows someone, most likely one of the other "good" customers who can "fix it." So after some grinding and other fine craftsman-ship, this guy cleans it up as good as he can, puts it back in the box and then takes it back to the store where he slips it back on the shelf, confident in the knowledge that no one will ever detect the damage and if they do, well, he'll just blame the manufacturer. Why do I suspect this was the case? Had it happen at least three times at stores where I worked. Once again, sorry about your problem, but if there is a "moral" to the story it is -- Do not allow any firearm that you order to sit in a store for more than a few hours and, if possible" always insist that the outer box and/or wrapping not be opened until you arrive. Now, some ffl will not agree to receive an item if you insist on this last one, but if they refuse, just walk away and find another ffl who understands the issue.