Who or what owns TFL & THR?

bobhwry · January 7, 2007, 06:36 PM

Just curious.

**Shane Tuttle** · January 7, 2007, 07:22 PM

Per PM from Bud Helms a while back;
The owner is Rich Lucibella as far as TFL.

**Bud Helms** · January 7, 2007, 07:27 PM

Site and contents owned by S.W.A.T. magazine.

This site and contents © 1998-2006 S.W.A.T. Magazine

http://thefiringline.com

http://thefiringline.com/forums/

Not very observant there, bob. It's written at the bottom of every page you bring up on this site. It's written on the "Front Door" too.

THR ... Oleg Volk still, I think.

**Shane Tuttle** · January 7, 2007, 07:33 PM

Bud,
My bad. I may have misconstrued who owns this site per a PM you sent a while back. Didn't mean to make you out as a truth bender.

**Bud Helms** · January 7, 2007, 07:35 PM

Not.

Guess who owns S.W.A.T. mag?

It's a matter of publc record.

**tyme** · January 8, 2007, 02:45 PM

To be clear, THR is entirely separate, though some moderators help out with both sites.

Oleg "owns" THR, as much as anyone owns it, but neither he nor any other single person bankrolls it.

bobhwry · January 9, 2007, 06:28 PM

Gee Bud,
Hope you got another new toaster for that coy and politically correct response! Yes, I got it that SWAt owns TFL. How insightful and informative of you to point that out! Still didn't answer the question! Admire your loyalty but not the submissiveness to the company line!

**Mal H** · January 9, 2007, 06:42 PM

There is no company line - period
Never has been, and I can safely say, never will be.

Which question did Bud not answer? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you asked "Who or what owns TFL & THR?" By your snide comments above are we to construe that you only wanted to know the "who" that owns TFL? If it turned out to be a "what" that you were no longer curious? Bud answered your question perfectly, yes he added a bit of witty sarcasm, I would have also.

bobhwry · January 9, 2007, 07:33 PM

Ok, I stand corrected. Who owns Swat, TFL? Are there real people out there or just a mirage? Does SWAT have a staff? Is there a board of directors? Who are they? Is there a corporate structure? How is TFL funded?
So far, alot of questions but only vague answers! Bud's answers were sarcastic but not very witty!

**Shane Tuttle** · January 9, 2007, 07:37 PM

Bohica!!:d

**Mal H** · January 9, 2007, 07:48 PM

bobhwry - Please click on the S.W.A.T. Magazine link at the bottom of any TFL page and then select "About Us" from the top menu. There you'll get a rundown of the S.W.A.T. staff. To be honest, I would have thought that would have been obvious.

**tyme** · January 10, 2007, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobhwry

Ok, I stand corrected. Who owns Swat, TFL? Are there real people out there or just a mirage? Does SWAT have a staff? Is there a board of directors? Who are they? Is there a corporate structure? How is TFL funded?

You're sure tetchy for someone who can't be bothered to do a few google searches and a little investigation on the relevant websites.

SWAT is owned by Tessier-Ashpool, which happens to own an orbital habitat and a pair of AIs... one of which undertakes to write and publish the magazine by itself. There's also the matter of the owners, who come out of cryo every once in a while... and have vat-grown assassins protecting the business.

Then there's the minor fact that SHOTShow is this week, so anyone who can answer your question is probably rather busy right now. After your stellar display of tact, I'm not sure how you can expect a straight answer.

bobhwry · January 10, 2007, 05:09 PM

I thought one of the purposes of subject specific online forums was to access information without time consuming research. Apparently, I've been misguided! I asked a simple question, but only received coy and vague responses. If they didn't know the answer, or choose not to share it, or it,s protected by privacy laws, so be it, and just say so!!
It was an innocent question and I was simply curious. Now I could care less what the answers are to my question!

**tyme** · January 10, 2007, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Are there real people out there or just a mirage? Does SWAT have a staff?

That's a simple question? It seems like a silly and sarcastic question to me. You've already gotten most of your questions answered. I don't know what you're complaining about now.

bobhwry · January 10, 2007, 07:02 PM

thyme,
Not complaining. The "What" was answered the "Who" has not been!! I'm no longer curious or interested in the info or sparring with you on the subject. So why don't you find something else to occupy your time!

**Mal H** · January 10, 2007, 07:30 PM

The "who" was answered correctly by tuttle8 in post #2. We didn't feel a need to amplify it any further than that. You didn't believe him?

I would like you to re-read your question as originally posed (the title of this thread) and tell us how we have not answered that question - more than once. You, yourself, are the one reading a lot more into your own question than there was to begin with. You, yourself, are the one "sparring" with us for no apparent reason, calling our answers "coy", "politcally correct", "vague answers", etc. It was a simple question, received a simple and correct answer, and yet you are still not satisfied. Truly amazing.

News Shooter · January 11, 2007, 03:56 PM

But why is THR a .org instead of .com? I thought it had to be a non-profit
Thanks

**Mal H** · January 11, 2007, 04:58 PM

THR is non-profit. But, I'm not sure there is any hard and fast criteria to being a .org vs a .com vs a .net. I think it's first come first served as far as reserving a name.type for any website. Could be wrong.

**Mike Irwin** · January 11, 2007, 10:25 PM

Bob,

Curious...

Are you lazy, stupid, or just a sanctimonious prick with too little imagination and too much time to while away?

And yes, just so we're not mistaken, that IS intended to be an ad hominem.

Hey Mal, to quote Bob...

"Yes, my suggestion is that you exercise your responsibility and control the nonsense on P&L! Just do your job please!"

Now be a good little moderator and answer his questions, even the ones he doesn't ask, before he asks them.

Do your job and control the nonsense...

January 7, 2007, 06:36 PM	#1
bobhwry Junior member Join Date: April 5, 2006 Posts: 530	Who or what owns TFL & THR? Just curious.

January 8, 2007, 02:45 PM	#6
tyme Staff Join Date: October 13, 2001 Posts: 3,355	To be clear, THR is entirely separate, though some moderators help out with both sites. Oleg "owns" THR, as much as anyone owns it, but neither he nor any other single person bankrolls it. __________________ “The egg hatched...” “...the egg hatched... and a hundred baby spiders came out...” (blade runner) “Who are you?” “A friend. I'm here to prevent you from making a mistake.” “You have no idea what I'm doing here, friend.” “In specific terms, no, but I swore an oath to protect the world...” (continuum) “It's a goal you won't understand until later. Your job is to make sure he doesn't achieve the goal.” (bsg)

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News Shooter Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2005 Posts: 332	I don't mean to hijack this discussion But why is THR a .org instead of .com? I thought it had to be a non-profit Thanks

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Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,379	Bob, Curious... Are you lazy, stupid, or just a sanctimonious prick with too little imagination and too much time to while away? And yes, just so we're not mistaken, that IS intended to be an ad hominem. Hey Mal, to quote Bob... "Yes, my suggestion is that you exercise your responsibility and control the nonsense on P&L! Just do your job please!" Now be a good little moderator and answer his questions, even the ones he doesn't ask, before he asks them. Do your job and control the nonsense... __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

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January 7, 2007, 07:22 PM	#2
Shane Tuttle Staff Join Date: November 28, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 9,443	Per PM from Bud Helms a while back; The owner is Rich Lucibella as far as TFL.

January 7, 2007, 07:27 PM	#3
Bud Helms Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 1999 Location: Middle Georgia, USA Posts: 13,198	Site and contents owned by S.W.A.T. magazine. This site and contents © 1998-2006 S.W.A.T. Magazine http://thefiringline.com http://thefiringline.com/forums/ Not very observant there, bob. It's written at the bottom of every page you bring up on this site. It's written on the "Front Door" too. THR ... Oleg Volk still, I think.

January 7, 2007, 07:33 PM	#4
Shane Tuttle Staff Join Date: November 28, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 9,443	Bud, My bad. I may have misconstrued who owns this site per a PM you sent a while back. Didn't mean to make you out as a truth bender.

January 7, 2007, 07:35 PM	#5
Bud Helms Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 1999 Location: Middle Georgia, USA Posts: 13,198	Not. Guess who owns S.W.A.T. mag? It's a matter of publc record.

January 9, 2007, 06:28 PM	#7
bobhwry Junior member Join Date: April 5, 2006 Posts: 530	Gee Bud, Hope you got another new toaster for that coy and politically correct response! Yes, I got it that SWAt owns TFL. How insightful and informative of you to point that out! Still didn't answer the question! Admire your loyalty but not the submissiveness to the company line!

January 9, 2007, 06:42 PM	#8
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,947	There is no company line - period Never has been, and I can safely say, never will be. Which question did Bud not answer? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you asked "Who or what owns TFL & THR?" By your snide comments above are we to construe that you only wanted to know the "who" that owns TFL? If it turned out to be a "what" that you were no longer curious? Bud answered your question perfectly, yes he added a bit of witty sarcasm, I would have also.

January 9, 2007, 07:33 PM	#9
bobhwry Junior member Join Date: April 5, 2006 Posts: 530	Ok, I stand corrected. Who owns Swat, TFL? Are there real people out there or just a mirage? Does SWAT have a staff? Is there a board of directors? Who are they? Is there a corporate structure? How is TFL funded? So far, alot of questions but only vague answers! Bud's answers were sarcastic but not very witty!

January 9, 2007, 07:37 PM	#10
Shane Tuttle Staff Join Date: November 28, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 9,443	Bohica!!:d

January 9, 2007, 07:48 PM	#11
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,947	bobhwry - Please click on the S.W.A.T. Magazine link at the bottom of any TFL page and then select "About Us" from the top menu. There you'll get a rundown of the S.W.A.T. staff. To be honest, I would have thought that would have been obvious.

January 10, 2007, 05:09 PM	#13
bobhwry Junior member Join Date: April 5, 2006 Posts: 530	I thought one of the purposes of subject specific online forums was to access information without time consuming research. Apparently, I've been misguided! I asked a simple question, but only received coy and vague responses. If they didn't know the answer, or choose not to share it, or it,s protected by privacy laws, so be it, and just say so!! It was an innocent question and I was simply curious. Now I could care less what the answers are to my question!

January 10, 2007, 07:02 PM	#15
bobhwry Junior member Join Date: April 5, 2006 Posts: 530	thyme, Not complaining. The "What" was answered the "Who" has not been!! I'm no longer curious or interested in the info or sparring with you on the subject. So why don't you find something else to occupy your time!

January 10, 2007, 07:30 PM	#16
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,947	The "who" was answered correctly by tuttle8 in post #2. We didn't feel a need to amplify it any further than that. You didn't believe him? I would like you to re-read your question as originally posed (the title of this thread) and tell us how we have not answered that question - more than once. You, yourself, are the one reading a lot more into your own question than there was to begin with. You, yourself, are the one "sparring" with us for no apparent reason, calling our answers "coy", "politcally correct", "vague answers", etc. It was a simple question, received a simple and correct answer, and yet you are still not satisfied. Truly amazing.

January 11, 2007, 04:58 PM	#18
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,947	THR is non-profit. But, I'm not sure there is any hard and fast criteria to being a .org vs a .com vs a .net. I think it's first come first served as far as reserving a name.type for any website. Could be wrong.