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Old November 21, 2022, 04:07 PM   #26
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I have owned a 357 Max TC for about 30 yrs. I was pretty excited about the 350 until I saw the awkward bullet dia. Probably still a pretty useful cartridge.
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Old November 21, 2022, 04:17 PM   #27
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Compare it to a 12ga or 20ga slug…..way cheaper, effective to 200 yds, more accurate, less recoil, less blast, shorter & lighter guns….yea, way better.


I pay about $1 a round for slugs. With my M2 slug barrel, 5 rounds into 5" at 300 yards and still plenty of power for a Deer. The Win SXP 20g, 200 yard groups of 6". Both have a ton of power, about the same cost. Yes, more recoil, they weigh 6.2 and 7.2 pounds as configured.

For the average hunter, the less recoil is probably the biggest factor. Folks in shotgun/straightwall states are not shooting Deer past 100 in the vast majority of cases.
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Old November 21, 2022, 04:42 PM   #28
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Bought a 450 when they came out. I would have been more interested if the Legend came in .357. To use .355 made no sense and velocities of 2000-2200......
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Old November 21, 2022, 04:49 PM   #29
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For the average hunter, the less recoil is probably the biggest factor.
Not having a shotgun fitted with a special slug (rifled?) barrel might also be a reason. Though on the plus side, being able to buy slugs 5 at a time, might be a decisive factor over having to buy a box of 20 "rifle" cartridges at one time.

Your accuracy from the barrel you mention is astounding, Certainly much better than I can do with my old full choke 30" Model 12 with slugs... or my old SxS....
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Old November 21, 2022, 05:45 PM   #30
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@Taylorce1: For a state with zero round magazine requirements, Henry now chambers their single shot rifle in .350 legend. For the younger hunter, a single shot, break open rifle, with an external hammer might be a good option. The problem is that I've seen almost no henry single shots in stock anyplace since the COVID hysteria started.
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Old November 21, 2022, 08:53 PM   #31
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Bought a 450 when they came out. I would have been more interested if the Legend came in .357. To use .355 made no sense and velocities of 2000-2200......
.355 made a lot of sense to Hornady and Winchester. They had a nich market in the bullets for reloading and even for about a year on factory fodder.
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Old November 22, 2022, 12:17 AM   #32
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@hammie, I recommend the CVA Scout or other break action single shot. However, the OP on that forum wanted a bolt action rifle. He wanted a rifle that he could use places where the zero round mag wasn't required as a repeater.
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Old November 22, 2022, 07:03 AM   #33
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...more interested if the Legend came in .357...
Just size cast to 357, and jacketed to 356... no problemmo*



* in fact the resized Speer 180FP (Hot Cor) is one of my favorites -- AR or bolt action
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Old November 22, 2022, 08:39 AM   #34
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I pay about $1 a round for slugs. With my M2 slug barrel, 5 rounds into 5" at 300 yards and still plenty of power for a Deer. The Win SXP 20g, 200 yard groups of 6". Both have a ton of power, about the same cost. Yes, more recoil, they weigh 6.2 and 7.2 pounds as configured.

For the average hunter, the less recoil is probably the biggest factor. Folks in shotgun/straightwall states are not shooting Deer past 100 in the vast majority of cases.
That’s impressive. Where I live, sabot slugs are $11-$20(pre-covid) per 5…. IME, a good group is 3-4” at 100 yards from my Mossberg 930.

350 Legend ammo was $20 for 20 new;Groups were 3/4” at 100 yards and I can hit steel to 300 yards from my Winchester XPR. Reloads were closer to $15 per box
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Old November 22, 2022, 01:05 PM   #35
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That’s impressive. Where I live, sabot slugs are $11-$20(pre-covid) per 5…. IME, a good group is 3-4” at 100 yards from my Mossberg 930.

350 Legend ammo was $20 for 20 new;Groups were 3/4” at 100 yards and I can hit steel to 300 yards from my Winchester XPR. Reloads were closer to $15 per box
It took a good deal of time and experimentation to get there...something not required with a decent .350Legend.

I want to like the .350Legend, mixed reviews from some I tend to trust, put me on pause. I don't live in a shotgun state, even though I shot my first bull Elk with a 12g 3" slug at 80 yards with one. More of a T&E interest to be able to discuss, compare and contrast intelligently. If I had to go shotgun/straight wall state Deer hunting today, I'd slap a dot on one of my slug guns (if legal) and carry on.

At some point, I'll probably get a .350L barrel for the Encore and shoot it suppressed for high timber Mule Deer.
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Old November 22, 2022, 01:11 PM   #36
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Your accuracy from the barrel you mention is astounding, Certainly much better than I can do with my old full choke 30" Model 12 with slugs... or my old SxS....
Took a good bit of time and effort to get there. At the time, I was sponsored by Benelli, so I got a slug barrel for free. Then I got several hundred rounds of slugs from manufacturers. I was searching for the best combo I could come up with for use in the American Marksman competition finals (there is a Shooting Gallery TV show on it). At the end of the day, I felt that the fit of the shotgun was too large of a factor impeding success of the finalists. So I did not use it, but I gained a significant appreciation of the capability of slug guns and have since, hunted Deer and Hogs with slug guns to flesh out the experiments.

Once thing I certainly learned, combined with shooting shotguns in 3Gun. Vent ribs are terrible detractors to slug accuracy, as are longer barrels. Clean top slug barrels in the 18 to 21 inch range are optimum.
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Old November 22, 2022, 01:53 PM   #37
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@mehavey in post #33:
Wait, wait, wait. Can you use a cast bullet re-sizer to re-size jacketed bullets? I'm not disputing what you said, but if it's possible, that would solve a couple of problems for me. So... I just buy a .356 resizing die with the correct top punch and just do it as you normally would? Will Lyman top punches fit in my RCBS cast bullet re-sizer? I might have more top punch choices with Lyman.
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Old November 22, 2022, 02:23 PM   #38
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I sure wouldn't try sizing jackets through my RCBS sizer! Maybe a Lee push through sizer die?
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Old November 22, 2022, 02:46 PM   #39
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@buckey: I didn't know. That why I was asking. I'm sure mehavey will return, and help and clarify. (And we're starting to drift a little. Maybe we can wrap this sub-topic up before we get scolded too badly.)
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Old November 22, 2022, 03:08 PM   #40
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I've done the .358 hot core sizing down to .356 as meheavy describes--I personally found it impossible to go from .358 straight to .356 and had to also get a .357 for intermediate size. Then I started thinking about sizing down a bonded jacketed bullet that far and ultimately firing it through what is really a .355 bore and decided it wasn't for me. Meheavy has done very well with it --more power to him.
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Old November 22, 2022, 03:38 PM   #41
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@stagpanther: Thinking back, I do remember some people re-sizing 8mm (.323) bullets to 0.321 for use in a .32 Winchester special. The odd bullet size is what turned me off on the .350 legend. If you can size down by purchasing even two extra sizing dies, then suddenly it might be worth it. I have tons of .357 / .358 bullets. Mehavey has suggested the winchester xpr as a possibility in .350 legend. Might be a fun range toy and not a lot of money if it didn't meet all expectations.
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Old November 22, 2022, 03:59 PM   #42
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Just size cast to 357, and jacketed to 356... no problemmo*



* in fact the resized Speer 180FP (Hot Cor) is one of my favorites -- AR or bolt action
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Or just shoot them 357.
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Old November 22, 2022, 05:40 PM   #43
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Old November 22, 2022, 06:01 PM   #44
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Or just shoot them 357.
Actually. . . . the jacketed Speer 180FPs are .358 to start.
After some considerable trial/error/experience, `strongly suggest Lee resize to .356
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Old November 23, 2022, 09:39 AM   #45
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The rifles I made used the same size barrel as most of the rifles made for the .350 legend and all of my loads use .357 bullets . A .357 dia bullet down a .3555 groove barrel means you are engraving the rifling just .0007 deeper . You can lube and resize jackets bullets down .001 with the Lee sizer die with no problems if you want .
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Old November 23, 2022, 01:01 PM   #46
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See https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=16
Note the "...if it chambers..." caveat.
In my barrels (3 of them), I've settled on Jacketed/356 for 100% Don'tLoseanySleep dimensions.
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Old November 24, 2022, 12:00 AM   #47
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The 0.355" bore on most 350L gun is not the problem. The 350L normally has a tight neck region on the chamber that will prevent smooth feeding to full in if the bullet is too big.

Lots of folks have had good luck running jacketed bullets through a Lee 0.355" push through sizer.

However, for actual hunting rounds you might be better off chasing down bullets specifically designed for the 350L. Otherwise, you need to be careful selecting bullets that will expand properly at 350L velocities.
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Old November 24, 2022, 01:56 AM   #48
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The 350L normally has a tight neck region on the chamber that will prevent smooth feeding to full in if the bullet is too big.
You mean like potentially locking the mouth on the bullet causing the case to overpressure and potentially fail? Now how could anything like that ever happen trying to run bigger-than-intended bullets in it?
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Old November 24, 2022, 02:09 AM   #49
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I pay about $1 a round for slugs. With my M2 slug barrel, 5 rounds into 5" at 300 yards and still plenty of power for a Deer. The Win SXP 20g, 200 yard groups of 6". Both have a ton of power, about the same cost. Yes, more recoil, they weigh 6.2 and 7.2 pounds as configured.

For the average hunter, the less recoil is probably the biggest factor. Folks in shotgun/straightwall states are not shooting Deer past 100 in the vast majority of cases.
I have a browning silver deer hunter in 20 gauge and it is very accurate with remmie accutips. Even the CVA paramount muzzleloader can deliver superb accuracy and power that rivals many brass cartridges out to 400 yards and beyond.
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Old November 24, 2022, 07:38 AM   #50
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Can you use a cast bullet re-sizer to re-size jacketed bullets?
Lee push-through and case sizing lube
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potentially locking the mouth on the bullet causing the case to overpressure
Which is why .356 is is my standard jacketed dimension when using that 180 Speer HotCor
(Cast doesn't seem to give me concerns at .357)
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350L normally has a tight neck region on the chamber that will prevent smooth feeding
Bingo...

Look at the last item in the load detail spec for this HotCor combination:
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Use the sizing die (3 turns of thread engagement) to 'Size/Taper mouth 0.378"'
Takes care of that problem systematically/uniformly.

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