help me choose

bullfrog99 · October 27, 2001, 11:32 PM

I've got two possable setups in my head for the ultimate shotgun(for my purposes) please give me your opinion on which one you think i should go with. My shotgun uses will be limited to , Squrell, rabbit, deer, Home defense and Defense in the woods from preditors, both two legged and four. I live in the shotgun zone in southeast michigan. My area is densly wooded, not many pine trees, mostly maple and birtch, few low lying branches but some waist high brush.

Setup 1

Mossberg 590 A-1

Ghost ring sights,
Wood stock(personal preference),
Ported,
Screw in chokes(modify for),
sidesaddle shell carrier
recoil pad(double magnum)

Setup 2

Saiga 12 (ak-47 copy on 12 ga)

Low power scope detachable,
Shorten barrel to 18.5",
Modified for screw in chokes
ported,

Both would cost about the same, which would you get if you were in my shoes and why?

Will Beararms · October 27, 2001, 11:58 PM

You may not like this since I am going outside of the box but I would strongly suggest an 870 in matte black with a 26" barrel. The choice of barrels to add later, ie: 18" cyl bore, is almost unlimited.

Every gunsmith in America can work on em' and they are a proven design. I have two Beretta 390's, and a Browning Auto 5 but my do all, be all, if they took everything else away weapon is an 870.

Just my take on it.

About $300.00 gets you set with a lifetime weapon.

Coronach · October 28, 2001, 12:08 AM

You mention 'defense' in the equation, and thus reliability becomes paramount. I'm not sure how reliable the Saiga is, but I highly doubt that it is more reliable than the mossberg pump.

KISS

Mike

Sergey Podgirin · October 28, 2001, 04:19 AM

I would propose to make ones choice between Saiga-12 and Remington-870 with 20" Deergun or 21" Turkey barrels. I own both shotguns (and I'm also a member of Moscow Saiga owners club) so I can compare. Both Saiga-12 and Rem870 are 100% reliable and 150% durable. Just like Rem-870, Saiga makes it's service in army and HRTs, so if armed professionals trust their life to these guns, You may either. Remington seems to be better done, is more compact (due to lack of box mag) and IMHO more beautiful

. In the same time I'm absolutely sure that Saiga wont jam or misfire under any circumstances. Saiga works perfectly in dirt, water, snow, without regular maintenance, etc.
Saiga's prior disadvantage comparing to Rem-870 Deergun is the lack of functional adjustable sights. So for precise slugshooting Saiga must be used with some reddot or up to 3.5X telescopic scope. The last but not the list is the firepower. Please take in consideration that with Saiga You can fire 5 12-ga shots in 2-2.5 seconds, while with a pumpaction it would take twice as much time.

Concerning Saiga You can find some interesting data at Valery Shilin's website:
http://izhevsk.club.guns.ru/eng/saiga12.htm

Best regards,
Sergey Podgirin.

October 27, 2001, 11:32 PM	#1
bullfrog99 Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2000 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 811	help me choose I've got two possable setups in my head for the ultimate shotgun(for my purposes) please give me your opinion on which one you think i should go with. My shotgun uses will be limited to , Squrell, rabbit, deer, Home defense and Defense in the woods from preditors, both two legged and four. I live in the shotgun zone in southeast michigan. My area is densly wooded, not many pine trees, mostly maple and birtch, few low lying branches but some waist high brush. Setup 1 Mossberg 590 A-1 Ghost ring sights, Wood stock(personal preference), Ported, Screw in chokes(modify for), sidesaddle shell carrier recoil pad(double magnum) Setup 2 Saiga 12 (ak-47 copy on 12 ga) Low power scope detachable, Shorten barrel to 18.5", Modified for screw in chokes ported, Both would cost about the same, which would you get if you were in my shoes and why? __________________ Are you a gamer? Try Fortress Forever, It is a free HL2 Mod. http://www.fortress-forever.com/?a=media

October 27, 2001, 11:58 PM	#2
Will Beararms Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 1999 Location: North Texas Posts: 2,834	You may not like this since I am going outside of the box but I would strongly suggest an 870 in matte black with a 26" barrel. The choice of barrels to add later, ie: 18" cyl bore, is almost unlimited. Every gunsmith in America can work on em' and they are a proven design. I have two Beretta 390's, and a Browning Auto 5 but my do all, be all, if they took everything else away weapon is an 870. Just my take on it. About $300.00 gets you set with a lifetime weapon. __________________ "Without a rifle you are nothing, worthless, you are waiting for death, any minute, any second." -- Aron Bielski Last edited by Will Beararms; October 28, 2001 at 02:25 PM.

October 28, 2001, 12:08 AM	#3
Coronach Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 1999 Posts: 3,147	Mossberg You mention 'defense' in the equation, and thus reliability becomes paramount. I'm not sure how reliable the Saiga is, but I highly doubt that it is more reliable than the mossberg pump. KISS Mike __________________ The axe bites into the door, ripping a hole in one panel. The maniac puts his face into the hole, cackling gleefully, "Here's Johnny...erk." "And here's Smith and Wesson," murmurs Coronach, Mozambiquing six rounds of .357 into the critter at a range of three feet. -Lawdog "True pacifism is the finest form of manliness. But if a man comes up to you and cuts your hand off, you don't just offer him the other one. Not if you want to go on playing the piano, you don't." -Sam Peckinpah "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert Heinlein

October 28, 2001, 04:19 AM	#4
Sergey Podgirin Junior Member Join Date: October 24, 2001 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 8	Concerning Saiga-12 vs. Mossberg 590A1. I would propose to make ones choice between Saiga-12 and Remington-870 with 20" Deergun or 21" Turkey barrels. I own both shotguns (and I'm also a member of Moscow Saiga owners club) so I can compare. Both Saiga-12 and Rem870 are 100% reliable and 150% durable. Just like Rem-870, Saiga makes it's service in army and HRTs, so if armed professionals trust their life to these guns, You may either. Remington seems to be better done, is more compact (due to lack of box mag) and IMHO more beautiful . In the same time I'm absolutely sure that Saiga wont jam or misfire under any circumstances. Saiga works perfectly in dirt, water, snow, without regular maintenance, etc. Saiga's prior disadvantage comparing to Rem-870 Deergun is the lack of functional adjustable sights. So for precise slugshooting Saiga must be used with some reddot or up to 3.5X telescopic scope. The last but not the list is the firepower. Please take in consideration that with Saiga You can fire 5 12-ga shots in 2-2.5 seconds, while with a pumpaction it would take twice as much time. Concerning Saiga You can find some interesting data at Valery Shilin's website: http://izhevsk.club.guns.ru/eng/saiga12.htm Best regards, Sergey Podgirin. __________________ "Don't be afraid of a shotgunner" V.I.Lenin