Went shooting my 7.62x25's today . . .

spencerhut · January 18, 2010, 09:55 PM

Went shooting my 7.62x25's today, same ammo, same target etc.

I got a CZ-52 a while back, just had to have it. Loved it when I got it. It was such a cool looking and well built gun! I must say it is a sold gun, a tank with the forged machined slide & frame, very beefy stuff.
First thing I noticed when I shot it was it's propensity to throw the empty brass into the next county. It had a hell of a kick too and does bite a bit! (the only gun I own that bites me) Man that 7.2x25 was a smoking round! So I got the heaviest Wolff spring made and now the empties just land in the neighbors yard, most still out of reach though.
I hand loaded some ammo for the CZ-52, that worked out well. All of the rounds functioned perfectly and accuracy was great. But the brass once again all landed in the neighbors yard in the grass. I am a brass scrounge, but I had no luck with this gun. I went on with life and kept shooting the surplus stuff and cleaning it after each range session. I read Clark's posts about the weak barrel, so I bought a brand new barrel, just in case my original was made on a Friday at 5:00PM.
Got some snap caps, because the firing pin is brittle, and a spare firing pin just in case.

Then I decided to get a TT-33 a few months ago to help dispose of all the 7.62x25 I have accumulated. I was also hoping maybe it would not toss the empties so far and I could shoot up some of my brand new hand loads I had quit using since the CZ-52 was chucking them over the fence and through the woods wasting brand new Starline brass, a sin I'm sure. But, and this is a big but, those TT-33's are ugly as sin, and to make it worse the aftermarket safeties they add are an abomination.

My TT-33 arrived and man oh man what a tinker toy. I was feeling so ripped off. Talk about a rickety, mickey mouse, 1911 knock off. :barf:

Then something wonderful happened, I shot it.

Suddenly the mighty kick of the 7.26x25 was tame. Brass was almost falling at my feet, accuracy was very good and taking it apart to clean it was not so bad.

The groups in the attached photo are 24 rounds from each gun, all surplus junk ammo at 10 paces. Mind you I put well over 2500 rounds through the CZ before I got the TT-33. I've put maybe 200 rounds through the TT-33 and shoot it far better already. It's a joy to shoot, ugly as sin, but it's a shooter.

So one looks great, is fragile and is a bear to shoot. The other looks like it was put together by children and functions / shoots wonderfully. I'll keep the TT-33, the CZ-52 is on the chopping block now.

Stnwll · January 18, 2010, 10:24 PM

I've fired both as well. The CZ is a fire belching beast blowing out a ball of flame the size of a basketball!! .... and the TT is tame and easily controlled. Seems like the TT is half the size of the CZ and not enough grip to hold on to but nicer to shoot. Go figure

spencerhut · January 19, 2010, 01:10 AM

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. . . Seems like the TT is half the size of the CZ and not enough grip to hold on to but nicer to shoot. Go figure

Yeah, exactly. Wierd huh. Who would have thunk it . . .

raftman · January 19, 2010, 01:18 AM

I've always liked the TT-33 better, even in the looks department.

jsmaye · January 19, 2010, 08:31 AM

Yes, the '52 is not a polite pistol at the range, as it flings brass five stalls over. It doesn't even lob them up in the air so your range buddy can catch them like fly balls - instead they come out low and fast.

The TT-33 has been on my 'eventually' list; after reading this it has moved to my 'immediate' list.

I disagree about the looks, (as you can see I've tarted mine up a bit)

...but that's about the last criteria for a firearm, as far as I'm concerned.

steelman762 · January 20, 2010, 03:07 PM

I bought 2 CZ-52`s but not at the same time couple years apart. The surplus ammo is nasty to shoot. This ammo was for the sub machine gun. I can`t remember the model of the sub machine gun. That 86gr bullet is running at speeds near 1600fps. I made reloads and reduced the load to where it was just enough to work the slide. 110gr RNFMJ (M1 carbine bullet) and 4gr 700X. I also used lead same weight. Seem to tame it down. I converted the other one to 9mm Lugar, works great. The 9 was a little finicky with some of the factory loads. It works great with the Win 115gr fmj 9mm. Happy shooting with your new toy.

January 18, 2010, 09:55 PM	#1
spencerhut Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 147	Went shooting my 7.62x25's today . . . Went shooting my 7.62x25's today, same ammo, same target etc. I got a CZ-52 a while back, just had to have it. Loved it when I got it. It was such a cool looking and well built gun! I must say it is a sold gun, a tank with the forged machined slide & frame, very beefy stuff. First thing I noticed when I shot it was it's propensity to throw the empty brass into the next county. It had a hell of a kick too and does bite a bit! (the only gun I own that bites me) Man that 7.2x25 was a smoking round! So I got the heaviest Wolff spring made and now the empties just land in the neighbors yard, most still out of reach though. I hand loaded some ammo for the CZ-52, that worked out well. All of the rounds functioned perfectly and accuracy was great. But the brass once again all landed in the neighbors yard in the grass. I am a brass scrounge, but I had no luck with this gun. I went on with life and kept shooting the surplus stuff and cleaning it after each range session. I read Clark's posts about the weak barrel, so I bought a brand new barrel, just in case my original was made on a Friday at 5:00PM. Got some snap caps, because the firing pin is brittle, and a spare firing pin just in case. Then I decided to get a TT-33 a few months ago to help dispose of all the 7.62x25 I have accumulated. I was also hoping maybe it would not toss the empties so far and I could shoot up some of my brand new hand loads I had quit using since the CZ-52 was chucking them over the fence and through the woods wasting brand new Starline brass, a sin I'm sure. But, and this is a big but, those TT-33's are ugly as sin, and to make it worse the aftermarket safeties they add are an abomination. My TT-33 arrived and man oh man what a tinker toy. I was feeling so ripped off. Talk about a rickety, mickey mouse, 1911 knock off. :barf: Then something wonderful happened, I shot it. Suddenly the mighty kick of the 7.26x25 was tame. Brass was almost falling at my feet, accuracy was very good and taking it apart to clean it was not so bad. The groups in the attached photo are 24 rounds from each gun, all surplus junk ammo at 10 paces. Mind you I put well over 2500 rounds through the CZ before I got the TT-33. I've put maybe 200 rounds through the TT-33 and shoot it far better already. It's a joy to shoot, ugly as sin, but it's a shooter. So one looks great, is fragile and is a bear to shoot. The other looks like it was put together by children and functions / shoots wonderfully. I'll keep the TT-33, the CZ-52 is on the chopping block now.

January 19, 2010, 01:18 AM	#4
raftman Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,890	I've always liked the TT-33 better, even in the looks department. __________________ "My momma, she done told me, there's heart and then there's hate If one of 'em's inside of you, the other one, it aint."

January 19, 2010, 08:31 AM	#5
jsmaye Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2008 Location: Amarillo, Tx Posts: 616	Yes, the '52 is not a polite pistol at the range, as it flings brass five stalls over. It doesn't even lob them up in the air so your range buddy can catch them like fly balls - instead they come out low and fast. The TT-33 has been on my 'eventually' list; after reading this it has moved to my 'immediate' list. I disagree about the looks, (as you can see I've tarted mine up a bit) ...but that's about the last criteria for a firearm, as far as I'm concerned. __________________ No matter how big and tough you are, when a two-year-old hands you a toy phone you'll answer it. Last edited by jsmaye; January 21, 2010 at 08:38 AM.

January 18, 2010, 10:24 PM	#2
Stnwll Junior Member Join Date: October 17, 2009 Posts: 4	I've fired both as well. The CZ is a fire belching beast blowing out a ball of flame the size of a basketball!! .... and the TT is tame and easily controlled. Seems like the TT is half the size of the CZ and not enough grip to hold on to but nicer to shoot. Go figure

January 20, 2010, 03:07 PM	#6
steelman762 Member Join Date: January 18, 2010 Posts: 61	I bought 2 CZ-52`s but not at the same time couple years apart. The surplus ammo is nasty to shoot. This ammo was for the sub machine gun. I can`t remember the model of the sub machine gun. That 86gr bullet is running at speeds near 1600fps. I made reloads and reduced the load to where it was just enough to work the slide. 110gr RNFMJ (M1 carbine bullet) and 4gr 700X. I also used lead same weight. Seem to tame it down. I converted the other one to 9mm Lugar, works great. The 9 was a little finicky with some of the factory loads. It works great with the Win 115gr fmj 9mm. Happy shooting with your new toy.