BP Firearm Manufactures???

scout4118 · February 26, 2006, 06:46 PM

I'm new to BP and have decided on an 1851 Navy Steel Revolver. My problem is I feel like a chicken pecking through the S@!T trying to find the feed. Is there a site where I can get a listing of all the manufacturers and reviews of there respective firearms? Kinda like a Harmony Central for firearms. If there isn't any suggestions would be appreciated.

Remington kid · February 26, 2006, 07:52 PM

Scout, For me to sit here and tell you all about the two manufactures of these Revolvers and all the distributes and what they do is kind of useless when it's all being discussed right now at this link, I'm sure it will helps with your decision, Mike
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=185375

gmatov · February 27, 2006, 01:33 AM

Scout,

Go by price. Start with Pietta as the minimum, at Cabela's at 169.95, and if they don't look good enough for you, look at Uberti's and Cimmaron Firearms Uberti's, at about 100 bucks more.

If you're new to this, don't know if you will enjoy it, why go to top priced guns? They won't shoot any better. The best you can do is 1 hole and all CAN do that, if you are good enough.

Like saying I want to try a rifle, gonna buy a 40X for my first.

180 or so for the pistol, shipped, 4 bucks for caps, 9 bucks for 100 balls, 15 to 20 for a can of powder, 7 for a tube of Borebutter, or a quarter to the wife for a little Crisco for over the ball grease, which you don't need, see Mike, but you might want to try. 225 bucks or so to go shoot the first 100 rounds.

You don't like it, shoot all the consumables, sell the gun on Gunbroker, most likely get most of your money back.

You show an interest, I would be surprised if you did NOT like it after your first outing. Go buy one, give it a whirl, you'll be back here in a couple days with raves and questions, what do I gotta buy, now. Not much more to buy, although I shoulda mentioned a measure for 15 to 20 grains of BP way back then. You should have one, for consistency, but you can use a measure made from a cartridge case "dipper" till you buy one. A 38 special holds 24 grains of Black Powder, hacksaw 1/4 inch off it, you should have a decent load.

Buy one and shoot it, come back and tell us what you think, it is the dirtiest, smelliest sport I could ever imagine, or God, that stuff smells heavenly, I gotta go scrub this sonomagun for tomorrow, and get more caps and ball, got lotsa powder left, but gonna need more 'a that pretty soon.

I think it will be the latter. And welcome to the fraternity. Come back often, y'hear?

Cheers,

George

Easy E · February 27, 2006, 07:50 PM

I just recieved a Pietta 1851 from cabela's, and was very pleasently surprised at the overall quality of it. There is a brief report and pic over on THR if anyone is interested. It's much nicer than my 1860 (also a Pietta) i've had for many years. I realize that it's kind of a "luck of the draw" with them. But I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Pietta based on this example.

Old Dragoon · February 27, 2006, 08:02 PM

I think that "luck of the draw" was the norm, but Pietta has turned the corner and since their new machinery was installed sometime in 2000 I think, Things have been much better.

gmatov · February 27, 2006, 09:43 PM

And, to second Old Dragoon, if you have a Cabela's nearby, you can exchange one that you think isn't up to snuff till the cows come home.

If not, a phone call, and they will still exchange it, but I think it will cost you the shipping.

They really DO want you to be a happy customer.

Cheers,

George

ribbonstone · February 27, 2006, 10:37 PM

They all are "luck of the draw". Are boxed up and shipped from Italy, aren't reinspected here. Came up "OO" on one spin of the wheel and I got a .36 Remington with a .44 cylinder...they were apologetic, shipped me the right combination, and a pre paid return box.

the thing is, it had to have left Italy that way...and it did have proof marks...which makes you wonder about the truthfulness of the proofing process.

Old Dragoon · February 28, 2006, 09:25 AM

Most of us at least ask someone at the place of purchase to check out the gun before it is shipped, if you cannot have that done....DON'T BUY IT! Buy where you can at least have someone knowledgeable to check it out, there are several businesses that will do that for you if you ask. Don't be afraid to ask, cause it's your hard earned bucks you are spending. If they give you a song and dance that they can't do it....thank them and go somewhere else.

I believe that the proofing is done on individual parts like the frame and bbl for the bbl proofing and the cylinder is proofed by itself out of the gun, as for test firing...I haven't a clue.

eagle24 · February 28, 2006, 12:40 PM

Uh-Oh! Didn't know they would do that at Cabelas. UPS shows my Cabelas 58 Rem, "out for delivery", so I should have it today. I didn't have someone inspect it, maybe I get lucky....yes! Maybe not, we shall see. Why is it I always find info like this after the fact. Maybe I not so lucky....I dunno!

scout4118 · March 1, 2006, 11:04 PM

Thanks for the replies. There is a wealth of knowledge in here. I just had a quick question. From what I'm reading there are 2 dominate OEM's F.LLI Pietta and Uberti and they supply to the distributors (Cimarron, Taylor's, Navy Arms,etc.) here in the US under there brand. Of the distributors which are the most historically accurate and has the tightest QC? In actuality that doens't soundlike a quick question.

Weird Guy · March 1, 2006, 11:13 PM

Uberti is supposed to be better than F.L. Pietta.

Of the gun dealers in the US I don't know which is the most historic, and I don't think that matters much. They're just gun stores. I bought my revolver from my local sporting goods store out of a display case (mine was also a starter kit, so I got all the tools with it...and I find that I needed them all too).

On second thought, I have heard that Cimmarron does do their own quality control. They won't sell a gun unless they look at it for themselves first.

Another thing to buy is a screwdriver with the right sized bit. A very thin, but broad head is needed to exactly fit the screws. You have to take the pistol apart to clean the insides eventually, or it will rust from the inside out.

Old Dragoon · March 1, 2006, 11:37 PM

The Chapman MFG. Co. makes a super gunsmith screwdriver set. Approx $30.00
A very good investment.

scout4118 · March 3, 2006, 09:29 PM

I was looking at Taylor's and Co. BP '51 Navy's and noticed that the .44 steel revolver requires a FFL. I've sent an email asking why several days ago with no response so far. The sheriff model is .44 and doesn't require a FFL. Does anyone possibly know why only on that model it requries it?

http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/produ...y%20Collection

Old Dragoon · March 3, 2006, 11:22 PM

UH..... let me guess....they're idiots or they ar in NJ. LOL
Could be because it is not a replica of a pre 1898 C &b revolver. The original Colt 1851 Navy's were all 36 Cal. not 44's Ne 44's were ever produced by Colt. this is an Italian remedy for those that like the '51 Colt Navy, but want a 44 cal. Purely a figment of an Italians imagination.

Brent Vinson · March 20, 2006, 02:54 PM

I think Pietta has improved their quality of late.
Got a 1860 Army from Taylor's & Company w/ R&D .45 Colt conversion cylinder. Put about fifty rounds of cap & Ball and cartridge each when I first got it. Yesterday I tore it down to smooth up the action.

Was plesantly suprised. The internals were quite well finished. Especially the Bolt, it was was mirror smooth. There was some grit from the machining process and trigger sear face need a little careful smoothing with a stone. I sanded the grips a little here and there to make them fit the frame better and polished a few machine marks off the brass trigger guard. Pistol is now really slick and smooth.

I paid less than $ 250.00 for this revolver. Really a good value for the money.

My other Italian clone is a Uberti "Cattleman" SAA. Paid about $ 375.00 at Bass Pro Shops. I gave it a similar cleaning/smoothing treatment and added a set of 1860 Army Grips/frame/triggerguard combo from VTI Gunparts. I've got long fingers so the Army grip works better for me. This is a really slick pistol now. It's as smooth as any SSA I've ever handled.

I think the current batch of Italian clones are pretty decent these days.
Add about 6 or 8 hours of cleaning, smoothing and polishing and the results are very rewarding !

Weird Guy · March 21, 2006, 01:51 AM

You know, I bet that 1860 Colt Army conversion cylinder will fit the .44 Colt 1851 Navy as well. From what I read in Guns of the Old West magazine the .44 Pietta Colt navy is just a Colt Army with a different barrel (octagon barrel).

I was at the gunstore in town and they had both the .44 Navy and the 1860 Army, and I compared them side by side. They did indeed seem to have the same dimensions and cylinder lengths.

Smokin_Gun · April 6, 2006, 06:46 AM

Try Taylors they have both Uberti and Piettas.

http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/products/blackpowder.tpl

Smokin_Gun · April 6, 2006, 06:47 AM

How ya doin' Old Dragoon? Got any Piettas left?

February 26, 2006, 06:46 PM	#1
scout4118 Member Join Date: February 18, 2006 Posts: 17	BP Firearm Manufactures??? I'm new to BP and have decided on an 1851 Navy Steel Revolver. My problem is I feel like a chicken pecking through the S@!T trying to find the feed. Is there a site where I can get a listing of all the manufacturers and reviews of there respective firearms? Kinda like a Harmony Central for firearms. If there isn't any suggestions would be appreciated.

March 20, 2006, 02:54 PM	#15
Brent Vinson Junior Member Join Date: February 23, 2006 Posts: 12	Pietta seems like a good value I think Pietta has improved their quality of late. Got a 1860 Army from Taylor's & Company w/ R&D .45 Colt conversion cylinder. Put about fifty rounds of cap & Ball and cartridge each when I first got it. Yesterday I tore it down to smooth up the action. Was plesantly suprised. The internals were quite well finished. Especially the Bolt, it was was mirror smooth. There was some grit from the machining process and trigger sear face need a little careful smoothing with a stone. I sanded the grips a little here and there to make them fit the frame better and polished a few machine marks off the brass trigger guard. Pistol is now really slick and smooth. I paid less than $ 250.00 for this revolver. Really a good value for the money. My other Italian clone is a Uberti "Cattleman" SAA. Paid about $ 375.00 at Bass Pro Shops. I gave it a similar cleaning/smoothing treatment and added a set of 1860 Army Grips/frame/triggerguard combo from VTI Gunparts. I've got long fingers so the Army grip works better for me. This is a really slick pistol now. It's as smooth as any SSA I've ever handled. I think the current batch of Italian clones are pretty decent these days. Add about 6 or 8 hours of cleaning, smoothing and polishing and the results are very rewarding !

April 6, 2006, 06:46 AM	#17
Smokin_Gun Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2005 Location: Mojave Desert, CA Posts: 1,195	Try Taylors they have both Uberti and Piettas. http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/products/blackpowder.tpl __________________ "I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington" SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634, ... Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php

April 6, 2006, 06:47 AM	#18
Smokin_Gun Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2005 Location: Mojave Desert, CA Posts: 1,195	How ya doin' Old Dragoon? Got any Piettas left? __________________ "I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington" SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634, ... Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php

February 26, 2006, 07:52 PM	#2
Remington kid Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2005 Location: South Central West Virginia Posts: 611	Scout, For me to sit here and tell you all about the two manufactures of these Revolvers and all the distributes and what they do is kind of useless when it's all being discussed right now at this link, I'm sure it will helps with your decision, Mike http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=185375

February 27, 2006, 01:33 AM	#3
gmatov Junior member Join Date: September 20, 2005 Posts: 346	Scout, Go by price. Start with Pietta as the minimum, at Cabela's at 169.95, and if they don't look good enough for you, look at Uberti's and Cimmaron Firearms Uberti's, at about 100 bucks more. If you're new to this, don't know if you will enjoy it, why go to top priced guns? They won't shoot any better. The best you can do is 1 hole and all CAN do that, if you are good enough. Like saying I want to try a rifle, gonna buy a 40X for my first. 180 or so for the pistol, shipped, 4 bucks for caps, 9 bucks for 100 balls, 15 to 20 for a can of powder, 7 for a tube of Borebutter, or a quarter to the wife for a little Crisco for over the ball grease, which you don't need, see Mike, but you might want to try. 225 bucks or so to go shoot the first 100 rounds. You don't like it, shoot all the consumables, sell the gun on Gunbroker, most likely get most of your money back. You show an interest, I would be surprised if you did NOT like it after your first outing. Go buy one, give it a whirl, you'll be back here in a couple days with raves and questions, what do I gotta buy, now. Not much more to buy, although I shoulda mentioned a measure for 15 to 20 grains of BP way back then. You should have one, for consistency, but you can use a measure made from a cartridge case "dipper" till you buy one. A 38 special holds 24 grains of Black Powder, hacksaw 1/4 inch off it, you should have a decent load. Buy one and shoot it, come back and tell us what you think, it is the dirtiest, smelliest sport I could ever imagine, or God, that stuff smells heavenly, I gotta go scrub this sonomagun for tomorrow, and get more caps and ball, got lotsa powder left, but gonna need more 'a that pretty soon. I think it will be the latter. And welcome to the fraternity. Come back often, y'hear? Cheers, George

February 27, 2006, 07:50 PM	#4
Easy E Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2005 Location: Northeastern PA. Posts: 228	I just recieved a Pietta 1851 from cabela's, and was very pleasently surprised at the overall quality of it. There is a brief report and pic over on THR if anyone is interested. It's much nicer than my 1860 (also a Pietta) i've had for many years. I realize that it's kind of a "luck of the draw" with them. But I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Pietta based on this example.

February 27, 2006, 08:02 PM	#5
Old Dragoon Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2005 Location: The Republic of Californi Posts: 581	I think that "luck of the draw" was the norm, but Pietta has turned the corner and since their new machinery was installed sometime in 2000 I think, Things have been much better.

February 27, 2006, 09:43 PM	#6
gmatov Junior member Join Date: September 20, 2005 Posts: 346	And, to second Old Dragoon, if you have a Cabela's nearby, you can exchange one that you think isn't up to snuff till the cows come home. If not, a phone call, and they will still exchange it, but I think it will cost you the shipping. They really DO want you to be a happy customer. Cheers, George

February 27, 2006, 10:37 PM	#7
ribbonstone Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2006 Posts: 179	They all are "luck of the draw". Are boxed up and shipped from Italy, aren't reinspected here. Came up "OO" on one spin of the wheel and I got a .36 Remington with a .44 cylinder...they were apologetic, shipped me the right combination, and a pre paid return box. the thing is, it had to have left Italy that way...and it did have proof marks...which makes you wonder about the truthfulness of the proofing process.

February 28, 2006, 09:25 AM	#8
Old Dragoon Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2005 Location: The Republic of Californi Posts: 581	Most of us at least ask someone at the place of purchase to check out the gun before it is shipped, if you cannot have that done....DON'T BUY IT! Buy where you can at least have someone knowledgeable to check it out, there are several businesses that will do that for you if you ask. Don't be afraid to ask, cause it's your hard earned bucks you are spending. If they give you a song and dance that they can't do it....thank them and go somewhere else. I believe that the proofing is done on individual parts like the frame and bbl for the bbl proofing and the cylinder is proofed by itself out of the gun, as for test firing...I haven't a clue.

February 28, 2006, 12:40 PM	#9
eagle24 Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 36	Uh-Oh! Didn't know they would do that at Cabelas. UPS shows my Cabelas 58 Rem, "out for delivery", so I should have it today. I didn't have someone inspect it, maybe I get lucky....yes! Maybe not, we shall see. Why is it I always find info like this after the fact. Maybe I not so lucky....I dunno!

March 1, 2006, 11:04 PM	#10
scout4118 Member Join Date: February 18, 2006 Posts: 17	Thanks for the replies. There is a wealth of knowledge in here. I just had a quick question. From what I'm reading there are 2 dominate OEM's F.LLI Pietta and Uberti and they supply to the distributors (Cimarron, Taylor's, Navy Arms,etc.) here in the US under there brand. Of the distributors which are the most historically accurate and has the tightest QC? In actuality that doens't soundlike a quick question.

March 1, 2006, 11:13 PM	#11
Weird Guy Member Join Date: December 23, 2005 Posts: 82	Uberti is supposed to be better than F.L. Pietta. Of the gun dealers in the US I don't know which is the most historic, and I don't think that matters much. They're just gun stores. I bought my revolver from my local sporting goods store out of a display case (mine was also a starter kit, so I got all the tools with it...and I find that I needed them all too). On second thought, I have heard that Cimmarron does do their own quality control. They won't sell a gun unless they look at it for themselves first. Another thing to buy is a screwdriver with the right sized bit. A very thin, but broad head is needed to exactly fit the screws. You have to take the pistol apart to clean the insides eventually, or it will rust from the inside out.

March 1, 2006, 11:37 PM	#12
Old Dragoon Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2005 Location: The Republic of Californi Posts: 581	The Chapman MFG. Co. makes a super gunsmith screwdriver set. Approx $30.00 A very good investment.

March 3, 2006, 09:29 PM	#13
scout4118 Member Join Date: February 18, 2006 Posts: 17	I was looking at Taylor's and Co. BP '51 Navy's and noticed that the .44 steel revolver requires a FFL. I've sent an email asking why several days ago with no response so far. The sheriff model is .44 and doesn't require a FFL. Does anyone possibly know why only on that model it requries it? http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/produ...y%20Collection

March 3, 2006, 11:22 PM	#14
Old Dragoon Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2005 Location: The Republic of Californi Posts: 581	UH..... let me guess....they're idiots or they ar in NJ. LOL Could be because it is not a replica of a pre 1898 C &b revolver. The original Colt 1851 Navy's were all 36 Cal. not 44's Ne 44's were ever produced by Colt. this is an Italian remedy for those that like the '51 Colt Navy, but want a 44 cal. Purely a figment of an Italians imagination.

March 21, 2006, 01:51 AM	#16
Weird Guy Member Join Date: December 23, 2005 Posts: 82	You know, I bet that 1860 Colt Army conversion cylinder will fit the .44 Colt 1851 Navy as well. From what I read in Guns of the Old West magazine the .44 Pietta Colt navy is just a Colt Army with a different barrel (octagon barrel). I was at the gunstore in town and they had both the .44 Navy and the 1860 Army, and I compared them side by side. They did indeed seem to have the same dimensions and cylinder lengths.