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Old June 3, 2008, 08:14 AM   #1
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Need some advice on powder

I am going to start pulling the handle soon and am looking at a couple different powders. 1st is the Varget and second is IMR4350. I will be reloading 30-30 150 grain Barnes TSX and .300 Win.Mag. 150 and 180 grain Barnes TSX(150&180gr.) and Nosler AccuBond bullets(180gr.). Are these powders a good choice for what I want to reload?
Im going to start with the following,
30-30, 32grains of Varget powder.
.300 Win.Mag. 150gr. bullet., 69 grains IMR4350 powder and 57gr. Varget.
.300Win.Mag 180 gr. bullet., 68 grains IMR4350 powder.
They are being shot out a 30-30 Savage Bolt action and Remington 700 bolt action .300 Win.Mag.
Is there anything else I should consider for what im reloading? If so please explain why in stupid people terms. Thanks.
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Old June 3, 2008, 12:32 PM   #2
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1. Do you have the Barnes 4th edition loading manual?

2. The 340's magazine is too short for some 150 spitzers. The Noslers are too long. The Speer Hot-Corsfit in the mag okay, The only real question is if they will expand reliably at 30-30 velocity. I called Sierra today and the guy I talked to said the Game kings probably won't. The problem is that a 30 caliber bullets can only do one of two things. expand at 30-30 velocity or expand properly (and hold it's self togather) at 300 magnum velocity.

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Old June 3, 2008, 01:34 PM   #3
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I've done extensive loading for the 300WM. Using IMR4350, the accurate loads were well below max, meaning that the velocities were at or below 30-06 velocities. It doesn't make sense to me to use more powder to achieve less.

If you cannot get accuracy at or near max with IMR4350, go to IMR4831. I have loaded for several 300WM and all performed best with IMR4831 at, just under, or slightly above max.
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Old June 3, 2008, 02:28 PM   #4
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For 30-30 varget should be ok. W-748 or H-335 might be a little beter. As an added bonus what ever powder you choose for your 30-30 will probably do well in your 223 as well.

My Barnes 4th edition is showing IMR 4831 as the accuracy load for 180 gr. TSX, and H-4350 for 150 gr. TSX. But they are only 2 grains apart, so the burn rate is probably pretty simular, But NOT identical. AA-3100 had a good reputation in that caliber as well.
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Old June 3, 2008, 03:39 PM   #5
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Ahhhh, Someone who knows the wonderful model 340. The bullet in question for the 30-30 is a Barnes Tripple shock X. P/N-.30-.30 cal.;.308 dia. 150gr flat nose. Its specificly for 30-30's.
Im thinking of also trying Hornady 150 gr. RN (30-30) or SST.
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Old June 3, 2008, 03:54 PM   #6
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Im off to buy a Barnes 4th edition. Damn, This is getting expensive.(But worth it)
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Old June 3, 2008, 04:03 PM   #7
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Old June 3, 2008, 04:40 PM   #8
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Powder

I will second the 4831 for your 300.

You did not say what you will be using the ammunition for. So bullet choice is difficult to comment on without knowing the usage. However I believe you have named all the high end, expensive bullets??

I may not be making the most popular comment here, but IMO I would buy a less expensive bullet, and more of them. I believe you will find them to be every bit as accurate(more accurate IMO), and every bit as effective. Tom.
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Old June 3, 2008, 05:56 PM   #9
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Red_Eagle, You da Man! Thanks.
Hoghead^^^ The ones im using are in thread beginning.
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Old June 3, 2008, 06:06 PM   #10
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mikenbarb, the question was not, "what are you using," but, "What are you using them for?"
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Old June 3, 2008, 06:56 PM   #11
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Barne's

There is one other thing that bears mentioning. While I've never fired Triple shocks, I have fired the old school "X" bullets in my 270 win. The barrel was fouled enough to effect accuracy after 5 shots. Supposedly TX's arent that bad (they replaced the X for that reason), but if I were you I'd make sure I had some Barne's CR-10 or Sweet's 7.62 when I went to the range.
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Old June 4, 2008, 07:53 PM   #12
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What used for

Antipitas, Im going to be using the bullets for dual purpose. Im going to be hunting with what im shooting at the range. Whitetail, Black Bear, Elk and Mule deer. Wide area and thats why im looking at the TSX and AccuBonds. They retain their weight and expand well on Deer up to Elk.
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Old June 4, 2008, 08:08 PM   #13
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If thats the case then you might want to do 150gr and 165gr with the triple shocks. There supposed to have an obsene level of penatration. 150gr TX behaves like a jacketed 165gr, a 165gr TX penatrates like a 180gr jacketed bullet, ect. From what I'v e been able to gather, almost every shot passes completely through. I guess cause they're solid copper.
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