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Old March 19, 2017, 11:15 AM   #26
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Thanks everybody for the input I'll look into the 308 cause they still make em in the 7600 so they're easier to find and cheaper
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Old March 19, 2017, 11:55 AM   #27
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The 243,6mm, and 257 Roberts have all been successfully used on animals up to elk. They will all handle even a large black bear with appropriate bullet and placement. The 257 Roberts is difficult to find ammo and brass for but you can neck down 7mm Mauser to make 257 cartridges still not the easiest to find. The 243 and 6mm Remington are as close as it gets to identical ballistics with the 6mm having a minor advantage. Since you own the 243 you have the ability to take 90% of the game in the lower 48. The only game I would feel under gunned with are the large bears, grizzly and polar bear.

I have two 257 Roberts rifles and it took a couple of months to find enough brass to reload for it. I fired some factory ammo through them with very poor results in accuracy. I would recommend the 308 for the next gun. Much like the 30-06 ammo can be found everywhere and it is not expensive. The 308 has the same bullet selection as the 30-06 and a lot of factory ammo available with different bullets for different uses. If you are sensitive to recoil the get a heavy 308 and put a good recoil absorbing pad on it. Light weight 308s will kick hard.
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Old March 19, 2017, 12:07 PM   #28
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Absolutely the .243. The 6mm Rem(Remington chambers nothing they make in the 6mm. Not currently chambered in .243 or .257 either.) is difficult to come by and the .257 is expensive. Midway, for example, lists 4 brands of 6mm Rem ammo. Three of 'em are on Backorder or "Not available.". The .257 starts at $31 per 20 and averages $45 to $50 per 20.
Only Hornady brass is listed for 6mm. No$ler or Jamison only for the .257 with the latter on back order.
Neither will likely be found in small places at all. The .243 is everywhere.
"...6mm gives +/- 200 fps more speed..." 100 fps more with like bullet weights. Parent case is the 7mm Mauser. It's 5 thou shorter and has a slightly different shoulder angle.
"...None of those are bear calibers...." Not Griz, but any of 'em will kill a black bear with no fuss.
Your size has nothing whatever to do with anything. Had a 5 foot nothing female Army Cadet who shot circles around most of the biggest guys with either a 12 pound 7.62/.308 FN or a .303 British, No. 4 Lee-Enfield.
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Old March 19, 2017, 12:44 PM   #29
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My next recommendation is that you read the book, "The Hunting Rifle", by Jack O'Connor. Until you seriously take up reloading, stay away from calibers that aren't most readily available at the best prices, as I previously mentioned.
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Old March 19, 2017, 12:55 PM   #30
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Ok,I went around to 3 or 4 gun stores today and none of them had any 257 roberts! Not even just the brass
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Old March 19, 2017, 01:37 PM   #31
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But they all have 270 Winchester.....
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Old March 19, 2017, 03:01 PM   #32
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Ok,I went around to 3 or 4 gun stores today and none of them had any 257 roberts! Not even just the brass
That's why everyone says to stay with the "normal" calibers.

308 Winchester is in every gun store in the world.
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Old March 19, 2017, 04:29 PM   #33
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All had tons of 223,243,30-06,308 and yes plenty of 270
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Old March 19, 2017, 05:16 PM   #34
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Well, you did say you had a .270 which is more than adequate for game out west, excluding, possibly the Grizzly Bear.
Your .243 is good to go on Mule Deer as well. Just put the bullet in the right place.
I load and shoot the .243, 6MM Rem. and .257 Roberts but basically they're all the same with a slight advantage to a properly hand loaded .257 Bob.
Your thought of upgrading to the .308 is a good one but also consider the 7-08. Recoil is a bit milder than the .308 and the cartridge is accurate. I don't own one but have shot others belonging to friends and if I didn't have three 7x57 Mausers that I handload to 7-08 specs I'd seriously consider buying one. I may yet.
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Old March 20, 2017, 08:01 AM   #35
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Your 243 is about ideal for deer. It is far from ideal, but with good bullet choices is adequate for bear or up to elk size game. Since you already have a 243 and want to stay with the 760/7600 platform I'd move up to 30 caliber in a 2nd rifle. I really like 308 a little better with lighter more compact rifle, but there is no advantage to choosing 308 over 30-06 in that rifle. So with with that criteria in mind I'd be looking for a 30-06. Or if you find a 308 at a good price why not. 30-06 is just a lot more common in those rifles.
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Old March 20, 2017, 02:12 PM   #36
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Maybe the first thing to do is find out what cartridge's the pump you want comes in! Then check on ammo availability in your area. The only 25 cal that's easy to find here is 25-06.

Your going to be limited by the pump action to what to get and I'm not so sure many store's carry pump action CF rifles.
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Old March 20, 2017, 05:23 PM   #37
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Uhhhh, as mentioned already, I wouldn't recommend a 243, 6mm rem or a 257R for bear. LOL, remember a cousin of a gent I shared a deer lease with back in the late 60s. Cousin had driven down to Texas from where he lived in Wisconsin, to hunt our whitetail deer.

He arrived at our lease kinda late at night and brought his gear into our hunting cabin. He sat a box of cartridges on table I was sitting at. It was a big box. Curious, I opened the box and took out a cartridge and stood it upright on the table. Didn't bother to look at the rim to see what it was. I stood a 30-06 and a 308 round next to his. His dwarfed them. I would ask him, just what the heck are you shooting. The cousin, shrugged his shoulders, saying I only hunt bear back home, so all I have is a 375H&H rifle. I kinda laughed, saying yea, that ought to kill one of our whitetail deer.
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Old March 20, 2017, 05:45 PM   #38
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Does anybody know of center fire pump action rifles other than the Remington 760 and 7600?
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Old March 20, 2017, 06:41 PM   #39
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Not in the same caliber range.
I think you can still get Colt Lightning pump reproductions but they are only in pistol calibers marketed to the Cowboy shooters.
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Old March 21, 2017, 09:02 AM   #40
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How many guns you going to buy over the next few years? If many, then you're fine to have a narrower range of capabilities for what you're buying now. If fewer guns, then, you're probably better thinking in terms of buying a caliber that can give you more. Are you going to try handloading? Again, that can expand your range.

As for me, of the three you mentioned, I would probably nix all of them! I would consider a .308 for the pump, and a 7 X 57 or .270 for a bolt action.
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Old March 21, 2017, 09:18 AM   #41
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If you want to keep to a pump rifle, and have a .243 pump rifle already ..... and want a gun for bears in MI?

.308.

Your other choices are hard to feed, unless you handload.


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I have a 6.5 arisaka I like to shoot at the range and it's probably similar to 243 in recoil so shooting doesn't hurt but after 20 rounds of 30-06 you don't want to shoot much more.
Depends upon the -06 in question...... and the shooter, too.

A reasonably fit adult can shoot something like a Garand all afternoon ....... but a 13 year old kid with a lightweight hunting rifle and premium hunting ammo is a whole 'nother thing .......
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Old March 21, 2017, 10:59 AM   #42
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20 years ago Browning made a pump action rifle. I don't know when they quit making it either. It was a good looking rifle, but it wasn't very popular. I have only seen them in the gun shops, I have never seen one in the woods. That's probably why they stopped making them.
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Old March 21, 2017, 11:44 AM   #43
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You should slowly get into reloading. It will open a whole new spectrum of the gun world to you. Like everyone else, I don't get why you want another caliber rifle that does the same as what you have. I used to have a couple .257 Roberts rifles and had no problem with buying box ammo. I used to easily buy .257 Roberts+P ammo. Shows how things change in 15-20 years. I live in the BIG black bear state and you would not even believe what some of these old Hillbillys use to hunt them. Bears really are not that tough.
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I live in the BIG black bear state and you would not even believe what some of these old Hillbillys use to hunt them.
IIRC, it was Neal Boortz that defined "Redneck" as "Yeah, that'll work for now...." when referring to something used for a task it was really not made for, but with enough on the fly ingenuity, could be made to work, at least temporarily ........ some folks take this idea to dizzying heights, just because the can ......



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A relative statement. Hillbilly's are pretty tough. They have to be.
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Old March 21, 2017, 01:29 PM   #45
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.257 has always been a caliber I've wanted, simply for the reloading fun in making it perform. I have "off and on" looked for a rifle in that caliber, but have yet to come across the gun that really speaks to me.

My favorite .25 caliber is .250-3000 or commonly .250 Savage. I have a Ruger Model 77 Ultralight in that caliber and it is a joy to shoot.
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Old March 21, 2017, 06:50 PM   #46
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How do you guy's get that Quote in there? I think what I'd look at if I wanted a pump is one in a 7mm-08, if anyone even makes one. I had a 760 pump years ago in 280 Rem. Loved the cartridge, hated the gun! I'd think as popular as the 7mm-08 is you'd find one in the 7600.
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Old March 21, 2017, 07:12 PM   #47
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Quotes are a pain here.

Copy the text you want, select the cartoon bubble icon and paste the text in.

I thought I read on here that they deactivated most of the feature to stop people that don't understand how quotes should work and pasting in the whole conversation.
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Old March 21, 2017, 07:16 PM   #48
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Found it here.
https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=585063

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We turned off the quote feature here because people don't edit the quoted portions down to the sentences they want to respond to. They leave giant passages and photos all intact, which uses up a lot of storage space and bandwidth and nobody wants to reread it all anyway.
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Old March 23, 2017, 03:19 AM   #49
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I had a Ruger 77 Ultralite in .257 R and one on an Arisaka action. Both shot extremely well with Winchester +P box ammo. They were good rifles, I just moved on to something else. I still have two 99 Savage rifles in .250 Savage and one in 25-35. That is all the .25 calibers I need. The one light rifle I do regret selling in recent years was a 6.8 SPC.
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Old March 23, 2017, 09:34 AM   #50
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20 years ago Browning made a pump action rifle. I don't know when they quit making it either. It was a good looking rifle, but it wasn't very popular. I have only seen them in the gun shops, I have never seen one in the woods. That's probably why they stopped making them.
In my paranoid opinion, they introduced it in anticipation of their semiautomatic being banned. Kind of like the short lived Ruger lever actions.
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