Country singer Justin Carter dies after a gun accidentally fires.

M88 · March 21, 2019, 06:08 PM

Apparently the gun was in his pocket, and it went off accidentally and hit him in the corner of his eye. Trying to visualize how this could happen. Was the gun in the pocket with muzzle oriented UP towards his face? Did he then reach into his pocket and in that manner hit the trigger? Without hitting his hand or arm first? did a set of keys somehow hit that trigger? Seems a little strange. Wish there were more details, but can't find them on the net yet.

LineStretcher · March 21, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by M88

Apparently the gun was in his pocket, and it went off accidentally and hit him in the corner of his eye. Trying to visualize how this could happen. Was the gun in the pocket with muzzle oriented UP towards his face? Did he then reach into his pocket and in that manner hit the trigger? Without hitting his hand or arm first? did a set of keys somehow hit that trigger? Seems a little strange. Wish there were more details, but can't find them on the net yet.

It is odd the way it's being described in the news. We may never know what really happened.

1stmar · March 22, 2019, 02:58 AM

This says the gun was being used as a prop in a music video.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety...203169542/amp/

https://tasteofcountry.com/justin-ca...ntal-shooting/

BarryLee · March 22, 2019, 07:33 AM

Sounds like someone filming sort of a homemade or low budget video. I suspect there was no one individual in charge of gun safety as you might see on a more professional set.

Doyle · March 22, 2019, 08:02 AM

There are WAY too many holes in this story.
1. He was supposedly shooting a video in his apartment. Who shoots a music video inside an apartment - especially one needing a prop gun?
2. Mom is the only one giving information. Not always an unbiased source.
3. Gun was supposedly in his pocket. How in the world does a gun in a pocket shoot the person wearing it in the eye?

rebs · March 22, 2019, 09:20 AM

This just doesn't sound right but like someone else said we don't have all the details

buck460XVR · March 22, 2019, 10:05 AM

Prop guns don't have bullets in them. Lots of stuff claimed here that don't make sense unless someone is trying to cover something up.

ammo.crafter · March 22, 2019, 10:14 AM

Could be a prelim to litigation.

M88 · March 22, 2019, 04:04 PM

Yes, the "prop gun" detail is the first thing that made me thing something isn't right here... I always thought prop guns use blanks, or they don't fire at all. If the weapon is capable of firing a bullet able to kill somebody, it's not a prop gun, it's a GUN! As for making a music video in his home, with today's portable studios where the entire sound, video and mixing equipment fits in a couple portable trunks, THAT part could be true. However... the whole thing does sound a bit fishy, like they are covering up something as others have said. I posted it because I was just curious if anybody here could explain a scenario where a gun in somebody's pocket could accidentally go off and hit that person "near the eye". As LineStretcher said, we may never know the details.

Rachen · March 22, 2019, 04:16 PM

There is a MAJOR difference between using a 'prop' gun and using a gun as a prop...

In any case, this one has been making rounds on all major firearms boards today. Sketchy as all heck, from what we know about the circumstances so far.

Big Shrek · March 22, 2019, 08:13 PM

Well, Brandon Lee got killed by a badly done Prop Gun...
they didn't do the barrel right, and the blank fired the hunk of metal into him...
killed a great actor dead as a stump.

Non-gun folks messing around with guns is usually a recipe for disaster.

osbornk · March 23, 2019, 01:01 PM

The information was from his mother but it doesn't ring true to me. A gun in his pocket hit him the corner of the eye and killed him and it was in his apartment?

tipoc · March 23, 2019, 02:54 PM

More information will come out and I'm sorry the fella died.

tipoc

TXAZ · March 23, 2019, 03:12 PM

We'll just have to "wait for the translation". This may be unlike, a few months ago, the two cops who were playing Russian Roulette and the female cop lost, the initial reports were WAYYYYY off base.

Sevens · March 23, 2019, 03:38 PM

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Well, Brandon Lee got killed by a badly done Prop Gun...
they didn't do the barrel right, and the blank fired the hunk of metal into him...
killed a great actor dead as a stump

That's not quite right, at least not the way you say it. The .44 that was involved in Brandon Lee's death was a regular old revolver, not a prop gun and not de-milled or altered. It happened to have an unnoticed slug stuck in it's bore from weeks earlier. A blank round fired a real bullet at Brandon Lee, from a regular functioning .44 revolver.

FrankenMauser · March 23, 2019, 08:23 PM

There's no point in discussing spotty, incomplete, and highly suspect information.
Wait for the details, and then have at it.

buck460XVR · March 24, 2019, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sevens

That's not quite right, at least not the way you say it. The .44 that was involved in Brandon Lee's death was a regular old revolver, not a prop gun and not de-milled or altered. It happened to have an unnoticed slug stuck in it's bore from weeks earlier. A blank round fired a real bullet at Brandon Lee, from a regular functioning .44 revolver.

....as I understood it years ago, there were some fake bullets used in the cylinder in order for realistic close up shots during an earlier filming of the gun. Some how one of those ended up lodged in the barrel and became a projectile propelled by the muzzle blast of the blank. As Sevens said, not a malfunction, but a simple case of someone failing to make sure the bore was clear. While a freak accident, easily avoided. Carter's death, if truly accidental, probably could also have been easily avoided with a titch of common sense. While tragic, at least he shot and killed himself and not someone else.

jmr40 · March 26, 2019, 10:22 AM

He could have been bent over tying a shoe or pulling on boots when a pocket knife or other object in his pocket hit the trigger with enough force to fire the gun. Would explain a lot and be very plausible.

The gun may have been intended to be used as a prop for the video, but based on what I've read was not being used in that capacity at the time of the discharge.

With the cameras and computers available at cheap prices it wouldn't be hard to put together a high quality video in someones home using nothing more than a cell phone camera, a computer, and some software.

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The .44 that was involved in Brandon Lee's death was a regular old revolver, not a prop gun and not de-milled or altered. It happened to have an unnoticed slug stuck in it's bore from weeks earlier. A blank round fired a real bullet at Brandon Lee, from a regular functioning .44 revolver.

Not saying this is untrue, but is not the way it was reported at the time. And I find this explanation highly unlikely. I'm going to stay with the original version as most likely. This happened on a Hollywood set with trained prop men who were responsible for the weapons. I find it unlikely that they allowed a gun with a projectile lodged in the barrel on the set. These were prop guns that were never fired with live ammo.

The revolver was loaded with blanks. The actor was clowning around when he placed the muzzle to his head and pulled the trigger. At that range there was no need for a projectile. The concussion of the blank firing that close to his head fractured his skull and forced bone fragments into his brain.

At least that was how it was reported at the time and that certainly sounds much more likely.

**Aguila Blanca** · March 26, 2019, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jmr40

The revolver was loaded with blanks. The actor was clowning around when he placed the muzzle to his head and pulled the trigger. At that range there was no need for a projectile. The concussion of the blank firing that close to his head fractured his skull and forced bone fragments into his brain.

I think you are confusing Brandon Lee's death with the death of a different actor, Jon-Erik Hexum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum

Brandon Lee's death did not occur the way you related.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee

Sure Shot Mc Gee · March 26, 2019, 11:40 AM

I have no opinion. I need more info on this situation to form a reasonable explanation.

TXAZ · March 26, 2019, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure Shot Mc Gee

I have no opinion. I need more info on this situation to form a reasonable explanation.

That’s too bad Sure Shot, you’ll never make it as a “news” caster.

Sevens · March 27, 2019, 04:24 PM

Despite the obvious horrendous tragedy and net result, the situation surrounding the Brandon Lee death is incredibly interesting... and... ridiculous.

jmr40 · March 27, 2019, 07:22 PM

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I think you are confusing Brandon Lee's death with the death of a different actor, Jon-Erik Hexum.

You are correct, I was thinking about the wrong incident.

March 21, 2019, 06:08 PM	#1
M88 Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2018 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 278	Country singer Justin Carter dies after a gun accidentally fires. Apparently the gun was in his pocket, and it went off accidentally and hit him in the corner of his eye. Trying to visualize how this could happen. Was the gun in the pocket with muzzle oriented UP towards his face? Did he then reach into his pocket and in that manner hit the trigger? Without hitting his hand or arm first? did a set of keys somehow hit that trigger? Seems a little strange. Wish there were more details, but can't find them on the net yet. __________________ NRA life member. Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless!

March 22, 2019, 07:33 AM	#4
BarryLee Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2010 Location: The ATL (OTP) Posts: 3,946	Sounds like someone filming sort of a homemade or low budget video. I suspect there was no one individual in charge of gun safety as you might see on a more professional set. __________________ A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it ... gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

March 22, 2019, 10:14 AM	#8
ammo.crafter Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2006 Location: The Keystone State Posts: 1,970	oops! Could be a prelim to litigation. __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson

March 22, 2019, 04:04 PM	#9
M88 Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2018 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 278	Yes, the "prop gun" detail is the first thing that made me thing something isn't right here... I always thought prop guns use blanks, or they don't fire at all. If the weapon is capable of firing a bullet able to kill somebody, it's not a prop gun, it's a GUN! As for making a music video in his home, with today's portable studios where the entire sound, video and mixing equipment fits in a couple portable trunks, THAT part could be true. However... the whole thing does sound a bit fishy, like they are covering up something as others have said. I posted it because I was just curious if anybody here could explain a scenario where a gun in somebody's pocket could accidentally go off and hit that person "near the eye". As LineStretcher said, we may never know the details. __________________ NRA life member. Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless!

March 22, 2019, 08:13 PM	#11
Big Shrek Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: NorthWest Florida Posts: 1,358	Well, Brandon Lee got killed by a badly done Prop Gun... they didn't do the barrel right, and the blank fired the hunk of metal into him... killed a great actor dead as a stump. Non-gun folks messing around with guns is usually a recipe for disaster. __________________ Marlin Specialist Calico Specialist A gun should be a tool in the hands of a deadly weapon, not a deadly weapon in the hands of a tool.

March 22, 2019, 02:58 AM	#3
1stmar Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,378	This says the gun was being used as a prop in a music video. https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety...203169542/amp/ https://tasteofcountry.com/justin-ca...ntal-shooting/

March 22, 2019, 08:02 AM	#5
Doyle Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2007 Location: Rainbow City, Alabama Posts: 7,167	There are WAY too many holes in this story. 1. He was supposedly shooting a video in his apartment. Who shoots a music video inside an apartment - especially one needing a prop gun? 2. Mom is the only one giving information. Not always an unbiased source. 3. Gun was supposedly in his pocket. How in the world does a gun in a pocket shoot the person wearing it in the eye?

March 22, 2019, 09:20 AM	#6
rebs Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2012 Posts: 3,881	This just doesn't sound right but like someone else said we don't have all the details

March 22, 2019, 10:05 AM	#7
buck460XVR Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2006 Posts: 4,342	Prop guns don't have bullets in them. Lots of stuff claimed here that don't make sense unless someone is trying to cover something up.

March 22, 2019, 04:16 PM	#10
Rachen Senior Member Join Date: May 10, 2006 Location: Weekend cowboy Posts: 542	There is a MAJOR difference between using a 'prop' gun and using a gun as a prop... In any case, this one has been making rounds on all major firearms boards today. Sketchy as all heck, from what we know about the circumstances so far.

March 23, 2019, 01:01 PM	#12
osbornk Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2012 Location: Mountains of Appalachia Posts: 1,598	The information was from his mother but it doesn't ring true to me. A gun in his pocket hit him the corner of the eye and killed him and it was in his apartment?

March 23, 2019, 02:54 PM	#13
tipoc Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Location: Redwood City, Ca. Posts: 4,114	More information will come out and I'm sorry the fella died. tipoc __________________ 1. All guns are always loaded. 2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. 3. Keep your finger off the trigger till you are ready to shoot. 4. Identify your target and know what is beyond it.

March 23, 2019, 03:12 PM	#14
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	We'll just have to "wait for the translation". This may be unlike, a few months ago, the two cops who were playing Russian Roulette and the female cop lost, the initial reports were WAYYYYY off base. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

March 23, 2019, 08:23 PM	#16
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	There's no point in discussing spotty, incomplete, and highly suspect information. Wait for the details, and then have at it. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

March 26, 2019, 11:40 AM	#20
Sure Shot Mc Gee Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,876	I have no opinion. I need more info on this situation to form a reasonable explanation.

March 27, 2019, 04:24 PM	#22
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	Despite the obvious horrendous tragedy and net result, the situation surrounding the Brandon Lee death is incredibly interesting... and... ridiculous. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.