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Old January 20, 2014, 01:40 PM   #1
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44 magnum question

I have 2 Lbs of IMR 4227 so wanted to use some up. I checked my Hodgdon book for 240 gr loads. They have 21.0 gr IMR 4227 loaded with large pistol magnum primer, so that's what I loaded. Once I finished loaded, I checked the hodgdon website. They have a starting load of 22.0 gr, but don't list type of primer.

What's everyone else using for 44 magnum loads?
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Old January 20, 2014, 01:57 PM   #2
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I prefer 2400 in 44mag but the IMR is good.
Never used mag primers as I never had a problem getting good ignition with either the 2400 or the IMR.
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Old January 20, 2014, 01:59 PM   #3
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I have always liked WW296/H110 (same thing) in 44 mag.
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Old January 20, 2014, 02:00 PM   #4
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I use the one I have mag or reg. Back in the day I used CCI mag primers for 2400 powder in the 44, now I just use large pistol and they work fine. Never tried the 4227 powder.
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Old January 20, 2014, 02:12 PM   #5
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I have been using H110 for 44mag with good results.

The starting 240g load in my Lyman book for 4227 is 19.3 max 23.1 if that helps at all. This data shows the use of a non-magnum primer.
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Old January 20, 2014, 02:21 PM   #6
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The 23 grain max using 4227 leaves unburned powder in my SBH and Marlin lever. Bumping up a couple of grains, slowly, makes the unburned granules problem go away and is very accurate. Blast and recoil are less than 2400 and cases readily leave chambers.
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Old January 20, 2014, 02:39 PM   #7
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Once I finished loaded, I checked the hodgdon website. They have a starting load of 22.0 gr, but don't list type of primer.
If you click the "print" button at the top of the Hodgdon load data page, it brings up additional information, like barrel length, case, primer, etc.


As for me....
I run Winchester LP. ("For Standard or Magnum Loads". )
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Old January 20, 2014, 03:19 PM   #8
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In .44Mag, I tested 17.0g (1009fps) to 23.0g (1250fps) of IMR 4227 under 240g SWC using CCI-350 (magnum primer of course if preferred with this powder). This was shoot through the 50th Anniversary .44Mag Ruger 6 1/2" barrel. Didn't mark any load in that range as particularly accurate. ES was from 62 to high of 147fps with one load.

My goto load is 10.0g of Unique under 240g SWC using CCI-300s for around 1136fps. I have no need for any higher velocity loads in this caliber (If I did I'd use 2400) . Another good load is 10.5g of True Blue under 240g SWC for around 1126fps.
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Old January 20, 2014, 03:51 PM   #9
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Since I loaded 50 rounds with this combination, would I be asking for trouble, or better off taking the rounds apart and changing the primers to Large Pistol?
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Old January 20, 2014, 03:52 PM   #10
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I've used 25 gr. of the 4227 under a 240 gr. jacketed and had good groups from a Ruger Super Blackhawk in 44 mag., but it's pretty much a max load.
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Old January 20, 2014, 04:42 PM   #11
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Msokad, at 21g's your within published data even with the magnum primer. But, I will let more experienced reloaders reply to varify.
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Old January 20, 2014, 04:48 PM   #12
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If you are using a jacketed bullet, I see no reason to pull anything. You are in the middle of the road of the load recipes and the magnum primers will not make that much of a difference. In .44 mag, with IMR4227 and 240 gr bullets, you cannot get enough powder in a case to be dangerous regardless of which primer you use. Around 23-23.5 grains is the start of a compressed load. I've found in .44 mag, IMR4227 works best when used at or right above a compressed load. IMR4227 will always leave some unburnt particles, but is very accurate outta my 629s and both the lever carbine and the 77/44 carbine. It is my preferred powder outta the carbines.
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Old January 20, 2014, 06:43 PM   #13
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Since I loaded 50 rounds with this combination, would I be asking for trouble, or better off taking the rounds apart and changing the primers to Large Pistol?
I wouldn't bother.
The difference isn't huge and unless you're already pushing max loads, it's not going to have any noticable effects on pressures
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Old January 20, 2014, 07:15 PM   #15
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On 44 mag loads I use large mag primers with 20.5 gr of IMR-4227. I have gone to 23 grains, but I would not go much more. Load shot out of a S&W 629-6in barrel. The 4227 does leave un-burned powder, but I just use it for target rnds anyway. Edit: that's with using a 240 gr plated berrysbullets.
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Old January 20, 2014, 09:33 PM   #16
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Since I loaded 50 rounds with this combination, would I be asking for trouble, or better off taking the rounds apart and changing the primers to Large Pistol?
Relax, you're fine. Magnum primers work better with this very slow powder IMO. CCI350 and WLP are pretty much equivalent in terms of "hotness".
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Old January 23, 2014, 01:25 PM   #17
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I prefer 2400 in 44mag but the IMR is good.
Never used mag primers as I never had a problem getting good ignition with either the 2400 or the IMR.
I too, prefer 2400 without mag primers in my 44 mag loads, I never tried the IMR 4227.

I recall reading Elmer Keith recommending 2400 without mag primers, if anyone knew the 44 mag I would say Elmer did.

I have used IMR 4227 in 38 special with good results.

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Old January 23, 2014, 07:28 PM   #18
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I have been using IMR 4227 in my Super Blackhawk since I bought it new in the early eighties.
My old Hornady book listed 24gr of IMR 4227 with a 249gr JHP at one load under maximum ( 24.8gr was listed maximum) with 1395 FPS.
General rule of thumb is when using Magnum primers for a non magnum primer load data, is to drop the powder charge a tenth of a grain.
My current Hornady, don't remember the version, but it is a couple of years old, list the same load as above, but has dropped the maximum to 24grs of IMR 4227.
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Old January 23, 2014, 09:42 PM   #19
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Anyone tried Bullseye pushing a 240gn SWC.
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Old January 24, 2014, 04:18 AM   #20
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Would if I could get some dang Bullseye.
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