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April 27, 2010, 02:14 PM | #1 |
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fast burning powders for use in 9mm minor
when looking for a powder for your desired load you want these things of course:
1. low smoke emission 2. low muzzle flash 3. clean burning 4. small charge required allowing for lots of loaded cartridges per pound of powder 5. maximal bullet velocity/ minimal felt recoil 6. consistent operation: both in metering out the powder drop and also when propelling your bullets out the barrel i have been doing some uspsa and idpa with an xdm9 and so far have tried out hs-6, unique, universal, bullseye and now ive tried some titegroup as of now im pretty sure i like titegroup the best though the differences arent huge with most of these powders. im not sure how readily i will be able to get titegroup powder but ive regularly seen some other powders at the store that i was curious about: looking at this powder burn rate chart i would assume that most if all faster burning powders would work fine for 9mm minor....(?) http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html tell me what you know about any of these powders listed below, if you have experience using them for 9mm minor or if you have any links that you might be able to provide me that might have data for these powders in 9mm minor. TiteWad Red Dot accurate #2 Clays (Hodgdon) WST (Winchester) this is my setup at the moment and would more or less like to keep the same PF but other stuff i might change xdm9 4.5'' barrel 124g round nose fmj (.590'') 1.12-1.125 col 4.3g Titegroup 1090fps avg./135pf i really just want to get settled in and use the same stuff over and over and not change anything but you never know when your supply of something will not be there when you need it and then you will have to use something else. thanks. |
April 27, 2010, 02:49 PM | #2 |
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I use Titegroup up to 124 and Blue DOT for 147.
Used in Sig 228, PPS, and BHP Titegroup is more cost effective, and a great powder. |
April 27, 2010, 03:26 PM | #3 |
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Titewad is NOT recommended for handgun rounds. It's listed as solely for shotgun on the Hodgdon web-site.
I use a LOT of Clays in .40 S&W. Low charge weight, clean, little smoke with lead bullets. Came into it by accident but have been very pleased with it. It works good in 38 Special also. I have a friend loading 4.5 grains of Universal with Berrys 124 grain plated bullets in his 9mm XDm. Incredibly accurate. Clean burning. Shoots to point of aim. Universal seems to be pretty available also. All the Best, D. White Last edited by dwhite; April 27, 2010 at 03:31 PM. |
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I use it for 9mm and .45acp.
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Dave R,
TiteWAD is not TiteGROUP. Big difference. All the Best, D. White |
April 27, 2010, 09:26 PM | #7 |
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Top 26 from fast to slow.
1. R-1 (Norma) 59. 2. N310 (Vihtavuori) 3. Titewad (Hodgdon) 4. AS- 30N (ADI) 5. Nitro 100 (Accurate) 6. Bullseye (Alliant) 7. Solo 1000 (Accurate) 8. Red Diamond (Scot) 9. AS (Vectan) 10. Red Dot (Alliant) 11. Promo (Alliant) 12. Titegroup (Hodgdon) 13. No. 2 (Accurate) 14. American Select 15. AA Plus (Winchester) 16. Clays (Hodgdon) 17. N320 (Vihtavuori) 18. Competition (Ramshot) 19. Royal D (Scot) 20. WST (Winchester) 21. AP- 50N (ADI) 22. HP38 (Hodgdon) 23. AO (Vectan) 24. 452AA (Winchester) 25. 453 (Scot) 26. 231 (Winchester) |
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April 28, 2010, 05:19 AM | #10 |
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Clays and Universal Clays both work very well for minor. My preference is for Universal because it can't be double charged in a progressive press and it has a nice feel to the load.
Hodgdon naming is unfortunate though and is confusing. Clays is ADI AS30N and Universal Clays is ADI AP70N. Data can be found on the ADI website. www.adi-limited.com/handloaders-guide. They are a Thales group company that manufactures these powders in Australia. Last edited by draggon; April 28, 2010 at 05:25 AM. |
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W231 comes to mind. Winchester has a new powder out called Auto Comp. Never had any luck with Unique metering worth a dam. Glad I used up the 8# keg. I personally have been using Titegroup.
Burn rate chart from Hodgdon's site Listed From Fastest to Slowest: 1 Norma R1 2 Winchester WAALite 62 Accurate Arms 2015BR 3 VihtaVuori N310 63 VihtaVuori N130 4 Alliant e3 64 IMR, Co IMR3031 5 Hodgdon TITEWAD 65 Vihtavouri N133 6 Alliant Red Dot 66 Hodgdon BENCHMARK 7 Hodgdon CLAYS 67 Hodgdon H335 8 IMR, Co Hi-Skor 700-X 68 Accurate Arms 2230 9 Alliant Bullseye 69 Accurate Arms 2460s 10 Hodgdon TITEGROUP 70 IMR, Co IMR 8208 XBR 11 Alliant American Select 71 Hodgdon H4895 12 Accurate Arms Solo 1000 72 Vihtavouri N530 13 Alliant Green Dot 73 IMR, Co IMR 4895 14 Winchester WST 74 Vihtavouri N135 15 IMR, Co Trial Boss 75 Alliant Reloder 12 16 Winchester Super Handicap 76 IMR, Co IMR4320 17 Hodgdon INTERNATIONAL 77 Accurate Arms 2495BR 18 IMR, Co PB 78 IMR, Co IMR 4064 19 VihtaVuori N320 79 NORMA 202 20 Accurate Arms No. 2 80 Accurate Arms 2520 21 IMR, Co SR 7625 81 Alliant Reloder 15 22 Hodgdon HP-38 82 VihtaVuori N140 23 Winchester 231 83 Hodgdon VARGET 24 Alliant 20/28 84 Winchester 748 25 Alliant Unique 85 Hodgdon BL-C(2) 26 Hodgdon UNIVERSAL 86 Hodgdon H380 27 Alliant Power Pistol 87 IMR, Co IMR 4007 SSC 28 VihtaVuori N330 88 VihtaVuori N540 29 Alliant Herco 89 Winchester 760 30 Winchester WSF 90 Hodgdon H414 31 VihtaVuori N340 91 VihtaVuori N150 32 IMR, Co Hi-Skor 800-X 92 Accurate Arms 2700 33 IMR, Co SR4756 93 IMR, Co IMR4350 34 Accurate Arms No. 5 94 Hodgdon H4350 35 Hodgdon HS-6 95 Accurate Arms 4350 36 Winchester AutoComp 96 NORMA 204 37 VihtaVuori 3N37 97 Hodgdon HYBRID 100V 38 VihtaVuori N350 98 VihtaVuori N550 39 Hodgdon HS-7 99 Alliant Reloder 19 40 VihtaVuori 3N38 100 IMR, Co IMR4831 41 Alliant Blue Dot 101 Accurate Arms 3100 42 Accurate Arms No. 7 102 VihtaVuori N160 43 Hodgdon LONGSHOT 103 Hodgdon H4831 & H4831SC 44 Alliant 410 104 Winchester Supreme 780 45 Alliant 2400 105 NORMA MRP 46 Accurate Arms No. 9 106 Alliant Reloder 22 47 NORMA R123 107 VihtaVuori N560 48 VihtaVuori N110 108 VihtaVuori N165 49 Hodgdon LIL' GUN 109 IMR, Co IMR 7828 50 Hodgdon H110 110 VihtaVuori N170 51 Winchester 296 111 Hodgdon H1000 52 IMR, Co IMR 4227 112 Hodgdon RETUMBO 53 Hodgdon H4227 113 VihtaVuori N570 54 IMR, Co SR4759 114 Accurate Arms 8700 55 Accurate Arms 1680 115 Hodgdon H870 56 NORMA 200 116 VihtaVuori 24N41 57 Alliant Reloder 7 117 Hodgdon H50BMG 58 IMR, Co IMR 4198 118 Hodgdon US869 59 Hodgdon H4198 119 VihtaVuori 20N29 60 VihtaVuori N120
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April 28, 2010, 10:09 AM | #13 |
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231 is always my go-to choice.
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April 28, 2010, 06:52 PM | #14 |
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TiteGroup is my choice .... ( not TiteWAD ...) which as pointed out, is a very different powder ....
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April 29, 2010, 09:30 AM | #15 |
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Fast Burning Powders for 9mm
I've been using Red Dot with good success. 4-4.3 grains in a WIN case under a 115 grain FMJ with a CCI 500, 1.150"LOA. Works flawlessly in my M&P9c. Burns with minimal residue on the cases.
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